Am I The Only One Who Thinks Killing Osama Wasn't The Right Thing To Do

[AfterGlow]

His death solves nothing and the happiness which his victims may feel right now, unfortunately, is not long-lasting. To rejoice the killing, even of a damaged man, can never enrich us in any whatsoever meaningful way.

Well said.

I find the idea of celebrating the death of another really quite odd and, frankly, inhuman. IMO people shouldn't celebrate the death of any human being, not even their worst enemy. I may not be Christian but that is one teaching of Jesus that I do believe to be wise - love your enemy.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

sounds like someone's falling for funny conspiracy theories. Pakistan appears to what???! Nobody has suffered more via the war on terror than the pakistanis, the people, the properties,the cities have been destroyed, the morale of people has been crushed, the economy has nose dived, your inference is rather strange and shockingly un-informed, just like the media's propaganda.

And you don't find the fact that he was found 1000 yards from a Pakistani military academy at least a little suspicious? If not that's pretty naive IMO.

 

[esmith]

Lol, and now Fox News is debating the "legality" of the hit on Bin Laden. You think that they would be debating this if Bush was the president who achieved the killing?

Is it two or more different guest debating the issue? If so wouldn't one reach the conclusion that they are allowing two different viewpoints to be expressed?

That's how it should be with any contentious issue.

Yes; But it seems that there are members of this forum that thinks that Fox News is nothing more than a voice for nothing but conservative views. I was hoping to show that Fox News does a "fair and balanced" approach to the news.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I guess as an atheist i personally see this life as IT and there's nothing more. To end a life seems like such a waste
-Q

Wow, that made me think of death as an even bigger thing...

But he killed thousands of people, including his own, so basically wouldn't it be fair to be killed in return?

 

[Amill]

At first when I heard the news I was happy and excited, but the more I've reflected on it the more I think about what all happened that lead to this point and the amount of lives that got destroyed before we got this guy.

 

[KittensAngel]

I remember watching the News over Lunch when the second Plane hit,i remember watching people falling from the building screaming all the way down,i think he got off lightly because at least it was quick,he was no hero,he was a zero which is what he is now and i say hoorah to that.

I was in a chat with a friend online, while one of those morning shows was playing from the TV room. I heard the commentator's voice raise as if in shock and then all this chaos in the background, so I ran to see. That was when the first plane had just struck tower 1 right behind her, as she was doing what was otherwise intended to be a simple morning opening for the show.

Just as I arrived to see what was going on, they cut to a replay of the plane behind her, as it sliced into tower 1 like a knife through butter. It looked like a Hollywood special effect. When it all became real was when everyone on the street around this morning show personality started to panic, as the smoke started to rise. And the whole time, even when the second plane hit tower 2, I hoped like hell that for some reason the tunnels into the city were closed and the buildings were empty.
It was unrealistic and absurd of course however, to see all that destruction and think of those poor people on the planes who had no control save to sit in their seats and take the ride, was unreal in the first place. Hoping loss of life was at a minimal was only natural.

Bringing those responsible to justice, is common sense. I don't know if Bin Laden was actually killed in Pakistan just a couple days ago. The story doesn't smell right, but if he was he earned his death which came way too easy.
Now, the aftermath with all the people that arrived near ground zero in New York right after the news broke, and who marched to the White house and even rallied at baseball games, having gotten the news via cell phone and twitter, as shouts reminiscent of post 9-11 unity filled the air again; "U S A!" "U S A!" Brought all the contention about the Afghanistan campaign, the loss of American and allied lives, the billions of dollars spent in both Iraq and Afghanistan, while here at home jobs are lost with regularity, schools suffer cuts, seniors face less benefits in medicare and social security, the poor suffer loss in medicaid benefits, all because it's said there's not enough money in the budget for those services that sustain life here at home. While the military industrial complex, though not as fat in cash as it should be, is not anywhere near as threatened by cutbacks.

It's business, I guess. And maybe, if Osama did die long years ago due to his rotten kidneys, and all this is simply propaganda for the war effort as some critics speculate, it's just another wild ride that we the people think we control once every four years at the polls. While paying taxes to keep it all afloat when, if we really wanted to make an impact, we wouldn't. But we'd lose everything if we did that, by law. So really, all we can do is read the news, cheer a terrorist is dead, and wait for the next shoe to drop. Because we the people aren't in control anymore. In fact, it's doubtful we ever were.

 

[Penumbra]

Am I?

Is snuffing the flame that burns in any individual EVER a good thing?

I know he is a terrible person who has committed or atleast planned horrible atrocities and he sure as hell deserves to be punished for his crimes against humanity. But he can't be punished now, he cant be made to suffer for his crimes, he can't be tortured (which he richly deserves) and no information can be extracted from him.

I guess as an atheist i personally see this life as IT and there's nothing more. To end a life seems like such a waste.

Perhaps living in Australia i am far enough removed from the atrocities that i have no feelings either way.

I don't know, what do the rest of you think?

-Q

Well, first of all, I don't agree at all that he should be tortured. I don't believe anyone should be tortured for any reason. And I don't particularly admire the act of partying over a death.

As for the mission, there were conflicting reports on things. For instance, some have said it was specifically a kill mission and not a capture-or-kill mission. And, early reports said that Osama was armed, while later reports revealed he was killed while unarmed but "resisting".

I would support a mission to enter the sovereign nation of Pakistan even without Pakistan's knowledge or consent to capture-or-kill Osama. But to go in specifically to kill him is not something I'd particularly agree with. And I don't know precisely the situation that went down- if he was killed while unarmed that strikes me as a bit unethical. But, considering the scope and the risk of the mission, I wouldn't hold it against the soldiers or their commanders. His operation has been known for suicide attacks, so by the time the soldiers got up to his room, who knows what kind of traps he might have had.

When police go after criminals, they intend to capture them, but are willing to kill them to make sure they don't get away, or if they pose a threat. I view Osama as basically the same, but on an international level rather than a local one. So I'd support a mission to go after him with the intent of capturing him to hold him accountable, but with the realistic situation being that capturing him would be nearly impossible and that it would likely end in his death.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over this.

 

[Sententia]

It seems that there are 2 kinds of people in this world....
1) Those willing to go to war & kill in order to avoid being killed or conquered
2) Those who don't believe in violence, even in self defense
I like the first option. There are those who would do us harm, & their death to avoid ours is a good trade.
As for the pacifists, I don't condemn them as "wrong", but I find their philosophy rather dysfunctional...
...they survive only because others are able to defend them.

A false dichotomy but I think admitting you classify people as only of 2 kinds is interesting. I myself think there are 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

[darkendless]

A false dichotomy but I think admitting you classify people as only of 2 kinds is interesting. I myself think there are 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

It disturbs me considerably that I got your joke just there

 

[Adramelek]

In the sphere of my personally determined morals, some people deserve to die. A dead O.B.L is a good thing for the world and should be rejoiced. From another spectrum, revenge is also a good thing, if someone were to murder one of my loved ones one of the best things that could be done to honor them would be to find their murderer and see to it, one way or another, that he is put to death. To forgive him would be an absolute affront. Revenge has nothing to do with bringing the dead back, it is a matter of honor and Justice; which seem to be irrelevent concepts these days with a world ran by a bunch of bed wetters and panzies.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[England my lionheart]

I was in a chat with a friend online, while one of those morning shows was playing from the TV room. I heard the commentator's voice raise as if in shock and then all this chaos in the background, so I ran to see. That was when the first plane had just struck tower 1 right behind her, as she was doing what was otherwise intended to be a simple morning opening for the show.


Just as I arrived to see what was going on, they cut to a replay of the plane behind her, as it sliced into tower 1 like a knife through butter. It looked like a Hollywood special effect. When it all became real was when everyone on the street around this morning show personality started to panic, as the smoke started to rise. And the whole time, even when the second plane hit tower 2, I hoped like hell that for some reason the tunnels into the city were closed and the buildings were empty.
It was unrealistic and absurd of course however, to see all that destruction and think of those poor people on the planes who had no control save to sit in their seats and take the ride, was unreal in the first place. Hoping loss of life was at a minimal was only natural.

Bringing those responsible to justice, is common sense. I don't know if Bin Laden was actually killed in Pakistan just a couple days ago. The story doesn't smell right, but if he was he earned his death which came way too easy.
Now, the aftermath with all the people that arrived near ground zero in New York right after the news broke, and who marched to the White house and even rallied at baseball games, having gotten the news via cell phone and twitter, as shouts reminiscent of post 9-11 unity filled the air again; "U S A!" "U S A!" Brought all the contention about the Afghanistan campaign, the loss of American and allied lives, the billions of dollars spent in both Iraq and Afghanistan, while here at home jobs are lost with regularity, schools suffer cuts, seniors face less benefits in medicare and social security, the poor suffer loss in medicaid benefits, all because it's said there's not enough money in the budget for those services that sustain life here at home. While the military industrial complex, though not as fat in cash as it should be, is not anywhere near as threatened by cutbacks.

It's business, I guess. And maybe, if Osama did die long years ago due to his rotten kidneys, and all this is simply propaganda for the war effort as some critics speculate, it's just another wild ride that we the people think we control once every four years at the polls. While paying taxes to keep it all afloat when, if we really wanted to make an impact, we wouldn't. But we'd lose everything if we did that, by law. So really, all we can do is read the news, cheer a terrorist is dead, and wait for the next shoe to drop. Because we the people aren't in control anymore. In fact, it's doubtful we ever were.

I understand that,we should get our own House in order as a priority over trying to clean someone elses.

I thought BL was dead a long time ago too but i really can't see your President being part of a propaganda scam,i also think they had little choice in whether to kill him.

 

[confusedius]

Some very brave men took an extremely serious risk, and I like to think it was partly on behalf of every US citizen who suffered through 9-11. I am too busy thanking and saluting them to worry over the demise of the coward who engendered our national grief.

james

 

[gnomon]

Why concern over Osama?

What about all those stupid ***** who were killed in the attempt to get him! This isn't a video game. They were all part and parcel of al-qaeda and share any guilt Osama had. And they were just as human.

For the record I only wish he could have been caught alive so we could have hanged him.

 

[YmirGF]

For the record I only wish he could have been caught alive so we could have hanged him.

Or pulled by a truck, slowly, over a field of broken glass... for hours...

 

[RitalinO.D.]

It disturbs me considerably that I got your joke just there

Whats even worse is I didnt understand it till I saw your post, then reread his post, stared at it a minute, then got it.


And I call myself a network engineer. For shame!

 

[xkatz]

Am I?

Is snuffing the flame that burns in any individual EVER a good thing?

I know he is a terrible person who has committed or atleast planned horrible atrocities and he sure as hell deserves to be punished for his crimes against humanity. But he can't be punished now, he cant be made to suffer for his crimes, he can't be tortured (which he richly deserves) and no information can be extracted from him.

I guess as an atheist i personally see this life as IT and there's nothing more. To end a life seems like such a waste.

Perhaps living in Australia i am far enough removed from the atrocities that i have no feelings either way.

I don't know, what do the rest of you think?

-Q

It doesn't matter...

-Information can probably be found on the computers, drives, CDs, and other forms of media supposedly seized from the compound.

-For a person like Bin Laden, punishment probably would have little effect. He would've been ready for it.

-To end a life is to end a life. Nothing more, nothing less.

-It does NOT change the situation in Afghanistan or abroad. There will always be terrorism and Al-Qaeda is still around.

 

[darkendless]

Whats even worse is I didnt understand it till I saw your post, then reread his post, stared at it a minute, then got it.


And I call myself a network engineer. For shame!

Haha it just goes to show I don't completely shut off my brain when electronic engineers talk to me. I think I need to try harder

 

[RitalinO.D.]

Haha it just goes to show I don't completely shut off my brain when electronic engineers talk to me. I think I need to try harder

lol I hear ya

 

[Bismillah]

Remember when after 9/11 members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to leave the USA without the FBI getting a chance to question them?

Ughh you mean the Saudi royal family based in Washington hours after 9/11.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Wow, that made me think of death as an even bigger thing...

But he killed thousands of people, including his own, so basically wouldn't it be fair to be killed in return?

No where is the justice in that, he dies, he ceases to exist. I personally feel he deserves to suffer for his crimes.