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Ambassador Taylor Testimony

Prometheus85

Prometheus85

Active Member
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?
 
Jollybear

Jollybear

Hey
Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?
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Why do you believe the american people dont have a right to know if biden is lying or not?
 
PoetPhilosopher

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Jollybear said:
Why do you believe the american people dont have a right to know if biden is lying or not?
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Understanding the law is pretty important especially if in public office. For example, it wouldn't matter whether Trump interfered in an investigation which cleared him or not, it's still Obstruction of Justice whether it cleared him or not. In the same way and in this separate case, I don't believe it really matters whether Biden did or didn't do something illegal, as far as Trump's case, not Biden's case, goes.
 
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Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?
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All his testimony is 3rd hand. I heard from X. I believe X. I inferred X. Not one single direct contact piece of testimony. Yawn.
 
Jollybear

Jollybear

Hey
AT-AT said:
Understanding the law is pretty important especially if in public office. For example, it wouldn't matter whether Trump interfered in an investigation which cleared him or not, it's still Obstruction of Justice whether it cleared him or not. In the same way and in this separate case, I don't believe it really matters whether Biden did or didn't do something illegal, as far as Trump's case, not Biden's case, goes.
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Wait a second, its obstruction of justice to stop a president from having investigated potential corruption into a political candidate?

It sounds to me that to STOP such an investigation would be obstruction of justice. Your tipping it upside down.

Another thing is that every political candidate exposes flaws in the others. But, it so happens in this case, trumps case, when he does it, its bad?

Another thing, the democrats are pushing a double standard. Its bad for trump, but good for biden.

Another double standard is the double standard in the 2016 election. Where hillery gets help from ukraine against trump. Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

The real obstruction is within the communist democrats. They are a threat to everything good.
 
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Stevicus

Stevicus

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Staff member
Premium Member
Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?
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I guess it will be up to the Senate to decide.

 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It is VERY clear that the "smoking gun", which frankly was already known, without any doubt now shows that Trump was involved in a quid pro quo, even though his defenders will never likely admit as such. Other witnesses are involved, which is why Taylor's testimony is not a compete surprise, and the last time I heard witnesses can and are often useful in a court of law. [/sarcsm]

And this even stands to even the most basic logic because we know that this administration did not send the monies promised to the Ukrainians until this whole thing "blew up" several weeks ago.

Common sense and other events should tell anyone whom at least tries to be objective that Trump couldn't care less about this whole thing until it was clear that Biden could get the Democratic nomination. So, the answer as to why didn't Trump & Co couldn't care less before this year about the Biden's is really quite clear.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?
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What I fear is that the information we get from the closed hearings could be filtered. Taylor might have said other things that mitigated what we've heard, but we don't know since we don't have the full transcripts, if I'm not mistaken. Also, he tells it from his point of view anyway and how he interpreted the information he got, and I'm not sure he was part of the inner circle for these things, so in the end, there's a risk things could be somewhat exaggerated or even misunderstood. With that said, it wouldn't surprise me he's right.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Jollybear said:
Why dont the american people not have a right to know about biden who will potentially be there president?
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And why don't the American people have the right to know about Trump, who might potentially be our president?

Im not ignoring anything, your ignoring this very important issue here.
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Isn't it important issue to know if Trump is corrupt?

Maybe we should ask Iran or China to investigate Trump? Maybe Biden should ask them?

Besides, my understanding is that Biden is being investigated by the DoJ. Just not by the President. He's not an investigator and he has a conflict of interest, therefore, proper authority that's created for the purpose is doing the job they're supposed to do, so the president can do the job he was supposed to do.
 
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Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jollybear said:
Why do you believe the american people dont have a right to know if biden is lying or not?
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We do have a right to know whether any possible POTUS is criminal (which is why Trump is being investigated). The whole Binden accusation been thoroughly investigated and found to be a baseless conspiracy theory. Think of Creationism vs. the Theory of Evolution as a fair comparison. They already have the answer, but it's not good enough for them. They won't believe anything that doesn't fit their theologies.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Prometheus85 said:
Well, Trump defenders: You can’t claim Bill Taylor is lying. (He’s a career diplomat, appointed by Trump admin. & backed up by texts). And you can’t say with any shred of credibility that it’s no big deal to condition foreign aid on delivery of political dirt.

So: what now?
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Look forward to him being cross-examined I suppose.
 
Prometheus85

Prometheus85

Active Member
Shad said:
All his testimony is 3rd hand. I heard from X. I believe X. I inferred X. Not one single direct contact piece of testimony. Yawn.
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This statement is just panicky word vomit.

Confirmed: Bill Taylor’s opening statement was 15 pages long and led many in the room listening to his testimony to sigh and gasp as he described efforts to tie an investigation of the 2016 election interference to a White House meeting and aid being released to Ukraine.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
metis said:
It is VERY clear that the "smoking gun", which frankly was already known, without any doubt now shows that Trump was involved in a quid pro quo, even though his defenders will never likely admit as such. Other witnesses are involved, which is why Taylor's testimony is not a compete surprise, and the last time I heard witnesses can and are often useful in a court of law. [/sarcsm]

And this even stands to even the most basic logic because we know that this administration did not send the monies promised to the Ukrainians until this whole thing "blew up" several weeks ago.

Common sense and other events should tell anyone whom at least tries to be objective that Trump couldn't care less about this whole thing until it was clear that Biden could get the Democratic nomination. So, the answer as to why didn't Trump & Co couldn't care less before this year about the Biden's is really quite clear.
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As you can tell by the level of arguments they make, we're pretty much down to the True Trump Believers....the ~25% who will never support impeaching and removing Trump no matter what he's done.

It's also fascinating to watch the shifting ad hoc arguments the True Believers use. Remember all the attacks and conspiracy theories about the whistleblower? Don't hear too much about that anymore, do you?
 
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