America financed the Nazis and Bolsheviks

[Debater Slayer]

When the older generations die out, we will rewrite history [...]

You haven't already been doing that all this time?

 

[Augustus]

Poles were persecuting Germans, ancient Prussians, to force Germany to invade?

“…to force”

Same thing in Donbas. They persecuted the Russian speakers, to push for the Donbas War. To push Putin to invade.

“to force…”

I was just pointing out that he wanted to invade Poland and he needed a pretext...an excuse...and the Danzig corridor thing was the right pretext.

That’s not what you said, you said he was forced to do it by the Poles, just as Putin was forced to invade and you support Putin in his actions…

And Hitler is in Hell....because he was evil.

But not for invading and ethnic cleansing of Poles apparently…

But now he's forgiven by you guys? All forgotten and forgiven?

The only time I ever think of George Soros is when you mention him.

Strangely enough there are thousands of immoral rich people I never think of to approve or forgive or anything else.

 

[Valjean]

I am a Christian.
And Hitler is in Hell....because he was evil.

I was just pointing out that he wanted to invade Poland and he needed a pretext...an excuse...and the Danzig corridor thing was the right pretext.
Period.

It's funny how you guys who never condemn Soros... probably don't have the so called long-term memory.
Soros used to help his adoptive parents seize Jewish property. In Hungary.
Occupied Hungary.

But now he's forgiven by you guys? All forgotten and forgiven?
May I suggest you to read "The Banality of Evil" by Arendt?
I am totally sure you haven't read that book.

 

[Estro Felino]

“…to force”

“to force…”



That’s not what you said, you said he was forced to do it by the Poles, just as Putin was forced to invade and you support Putin in his actions…



But not for invading and ethnic cleansing of Poles apparently…






The only time I ever think of George Soros is when you mention him.

Strangely enough there are thousands of immoral rich people I never think of to approve or forgive or anything else.

The topic here is: who funded the Nazis?
I believe someone overseas, an elitist cabal of warmongers paid them to conquer Moscow on their behalf.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your hands will be tied, and the lies will ring true, for millennia

Hey, tying her hands doesn't go far enuf.
Gag her too, eh.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are.
If I asked you a question of history, would you answer?

Prolly not.

 

[Estro Felino]

Prolly not.

Enough said.

 

[Estro Felino]

Welcome to RF.

There wasn't really an "economic miracle" in the '30s. Most of it was propaganda. In fact, salaries went down on average. But at least, after the inflation, times were at least mostly stable. The government did some deficit spending to keep unemployment low and prices stable. Germany seemed at least to be doing well economically. That climate attracted investors, some from the US, who didn't much care about European politics. But they weren't "financing" the Nazis, they were just in it for the profit.
That's what I can remember from my school days, and we had a thorough education in history/politics of the Third Reich.

There's lots of propaganda.
Saying that during the Weimarer Republik the hyperinflation undid Germany's society and that led to the rise of the NSDAP.

No... the hyperinflation affected a small portion of the German population. Not even the middle class.
And then what happened next with the Nazis was no miracle at all.
The military production was increased...that's all.

 

[libre]

It's funny how you guys who never condemn Soros...

It does not bode well that you cannot have a conversation about nazism without trying to make a rich jew the focal point of the conversation.

 

[libre]

May I suggest you to read "The Banality of Evil" by Arendt?

If you think that Arendt would agree with basically anything you've written in this thread, you ought to revisit it.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's so much wrong (not what I have learned) that I don't even know where to begin.
The Brits at the time were not the warmongers (rare but true). One of the biggest historical mistakes was Chamberlain's appeasement politics. The war was "necessary", as Germany was so much in debt that they had to find a money source, which Hitler thought was in more territory (besides from robbing rich Jews). The polish attacks were mostly propaganda, at least Gleiwitz was a false flag operation. With that many historical inaccuracies, I don't even have to read the conspiracy theories.

We are discussing whether an elitist cabal paid Nazis to conquer Russia on their behalf.

 

[Estro Felino]

If you think that Arendt would agree with basically anything you've written in this thread, you ought to revisit it.

I have never claimed this.
I just said that reading that book would open many people's eyes.

 

[Heyo]

We are discussing whether an elitist cabal paid Nazis to conquer Russia on their behalf.

Deal with this topic.
Will you plead the fifth?

If your conspiracy theories are based on falsehoods, they aren't worth discussing.

 

[Estro Felino]

If your conspiracy theories are based on falsehoods, they aren't worth discussing.

I could also provide you with countless pieces of evidence.
Like the names of the ones who owned the IG Farben. IG Farben built the factories around Auschwitz. Not to mention the Siemens that benefitted from the slave labor of Auschwitz.

You must also comprehend that too many politicians in your country deface and outrage the German Constitution, article 26.
And this is outrageous.
Why do they do that? Because they are not free. They obey certain warmongers overseas.
As they obeyed them in the forties.

 

[Estro Felino]

But they weren't "financing" the Nazis, they were just in it for the profit.
That's what I can remember from my school days,

Washington DC didn't pay the Nazis.
An elitist circle of power did.

and we had a thorough education in history/politics of the Third Reich.

Are you sure?
Once someone made me see a history book from Gymnasium...and that decade is...let's say...very very summed up.
Unlike the Zweite Nachkgriegszeit,.,..that was absolutely, totally thorough.

 

[Augustus]

The topic here is: who funded the Nazis?

You did just say Hitler was forced to invade and ethnically cleanse Poland and that this was similar to Ukraine, and we all know you support Putin in his actions there.

I was wondering why you drew a parallel between Putin and Hitler and noted they’d both been forced towards ethnic cleansing by a (ahem) “cabal”?

You are getting dangerously close to "the Jews and other untermenschen forced Hitler to genocide them".

I believe someone overseas, an elitist cabal of warmongers paid them to conquer Moscow on their behalf.

So the peaceful Hitler had to be tricked into both invading Poland and invading the USSR by “Jewish warmongers”? What about Czechoslovakia, was Hitler forced to invade there too? What about Holland?

Did the same people pay the USSR to invade Poland too? Was it a different cabal of Western capitalists who helped industrialise the USSR?

The USSR were big supporters of the Nazis and their quest to rebuild their military, they collaborated to invade and rape Poland. Later the Americans massively funded the USSR to resist the Germans.

You are just spouting historically illiterate nonsense that happens to chime with your present day political fantasies which you desperately want it to be true to vindicate your worldview.

 

[Estro Felino]

So the peaceful Hitler had to be tricked into both invading Poland and invading the USSR by “Jewish warmongers”? What about Czechoslovakia, was Hitler forced to invade there too? What about Holland?

No... stay with me.
Germany and Russia had secretly planned to divide among themselves Eastern Europe and in August 1939 they signed the pact of non-aggression, also known as Molotov-Von Ribbentrop Pact.

Then...in 1940, seeing that Hitler was winning everywhere and that he had conquered Europe... an elitist cabal of demons thought that Hitler was the right guy to conquer Russia (its resources like the oilfields in Baku) on their behalf.

So they paid him to break the Pact of non-aggression and to invade Russia, so that these rats could seize those Russian resources.

It was something unexpected and unplanned even for Italians. There are documents in Italy that says that Mussolini had been guaranteed by Germany that the war would last very few months, and that invading Russia was absolutely out of the question.

Also because Mussolini was focusing on the Mediterranean area.

This is history. I bet anti-intellectualism and allergy to history books leads people to deny history.

Did the same people pay the USSR to invade Poland too? Was it a different cabal of Western capitalists who helped industrialise the USSR?

No. I was speaking of Nazi Germany only.

 

[Augustus]

This is history. I bet anti-intellectualism and allergy to history books leads people to deny history

It is anti-intellectualism to make up bigoted fantasies to deny history and real suffering so you can feel better about your present day political biases.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is anti-intellectualism to make up bigoted fantasies to deny history and real suffering so you can feel better about your present day political biases.

The anti-intellectualism is based upon binary thinking: either all black or all white.
And I can't deny history just to save the derrière of certain élites who had an active role in empowering Nazis.

 

[Augustus]

The anti-intellectualism is based upon binary thinking: either all black or all white.

You are the one most guilty of that here I’m afraid.

These “cabals” are the source of all evil and your favourites are the noble titans of resistance.