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America is a secular nation.
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sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Very thoughtful.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Actually, MANY of the founding fathers were strongly against Christianity. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and many others were outspoken against Christianity.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If needed, I will gladly put forth Constitution articles and amendments, and quotes to back up America not being a founded on Christianity.
For starters, Article 6 states "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
James Madison is quoted as having said "And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
Allegedly, from the views of a friend of a friend, a certain Arthur B. Bradford was an associate of Ashbel Green, a Presbyterian minister who had known George Washington personally. Bradford wrote that Green, "often said in my hearing, though very sorrowfully, of course, that while Washington was very deferential to religion and its ceremonies, like nearly all the founders of the Republic, he was not a Christian, but a Deist."
For starters, Article 6 states "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
James Madison is quoted as having said "And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
Allegedly, from the views of a friend of a friend, a certain Arthur B. Bradford was an associate of Ashbel Green, a Presbyterian minister who had known George Washington personally. Bradford wrote that Green, "often said in my hearing, though very sorrowfully, of course, that while Washington was very deferential to religion and its ceremonies, like nearly all the founders of the Republic, he was not a Christian, but a Deist."
Why? We control everything.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Not really.
Merely an observation.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Thus explaining what is wrong with everything...?
blackout
Violet.
The high percentage of FreeMasons involved in the founding of this country
is certainly a noteworthy curiosity. (a curiosity which continues to this day).
To those who say Freemasonry is not "religious" in nature?......
Manly P Hall (if memory serves me correctly)
was the highest ranking Scottish Rite Freemason...
Manly Palmer Hall (March 18, 1901 - August 29, 1990) was a Canadian-born author and mystic. He is perhaps most famous for his work The Secret Teachings of All Ages: An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy, which is widely regarded as his magnum opus, published in 1928when he was just 27 years old.
He has been widely recognized as a leading scholar in the fields of religion, mythology, mysticism, and the occult. Carl Jung, when writing Psychology and Alchemy, borrowed material from Hall's private collection.
I'm kinda tired to go digging up stuff now...
but It's a very interesting subject...
that I once spent substantial time poking into.
(I also don't have any of my books here with me)
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, the Fundamentalist do not control everything.
The Masons aren't an actual religion, but they are religious/spiritual. One of the requirements for membership is a believe in a 'higher being.' The higher being a Mason believes in is not any specific ones either. My grandfather was a 32nd Mason, and was Christian. I know one man who is also 32nd, and he is Agnostic.
Mestemia says we do control everything and that is the problem. Luke says we don't control squat, so there should be no problem.
Which ever of you is right makes no difference to me, I am satisfied with the way things are this very moment. I guess it is impossible for some of you to understand that the majority of people running the world feel we are right on course, who ever we are.
Open your eyes and smell the coffee. Most people thought the office of Vice President was pretty lame before Dick Cheney came along. People are still scratching their heads trying to figure out what branch of government he belongs to.
Has anyone figured out this is about the world, not our country?
Which ever of you is right makes no difference to me, I am satisfied with the way things are this very moment. I guess it is impossible for some of you to understand that the majority of people running the world feel we are right on course, who ever we are.
Open your eyes and smell the coffee. Most people thought the office of Vice President was pretty lame before Dick Cheney came along. People are still scratching their heads trying to figure out what branch of government he belongs to.
Has anyone figured out this is about the world, not our country?
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I asked a question.
I did not make a statement.
Yet you still whine an awful lot over abortion being legal.
You whine an awful lot over same sex marriage.
You whine about sex ed in school
You whine about birth control
If you whine this much when you are satisfied, I would really hate to see when you are not satisfied.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
You're wrong. What they spoke out against was a state religion.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then why does the Constitution say "Congress shall not pass laws respecting the establishment of religion."?
And the Preamble, "We the people.....were endowed by our Creator...." A "Creator" is not named as any specific deity because most of the founding fathers didn't believe in any specific deity.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
so there will be no state religion.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Thus making the USA NOT a 'Christian" nation.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
You are right. It is a nation founded by Christians who believed in freedom of religion. They also believed that the public servants should be guided by the principles of the morality of Christianity.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
At least that's consistent with the current administrations view of foreign democracy - elect whoever you want once they agree with us!
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I fail to see the correlation.
If Hillarious becomes President, it will be non stop.:yes: