America: you're already great

[columbus]

But note that behind the scenes, she is very abusive to staff, so I don't trust that her public

You believe this, but when the CIA says "Russia hacked the emails" you aren't sure that they know what they're talking about?
We need a term combines deplorable with willfulness.

Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

You believe this, but when the CIA says "Russia hacked the emails" you aren't sure that they know what they're talking about?
We need a term combines deplorable with willfulness.

Tom

I've read first hand accounts of her abominable behavior.
But the Russian hack claim has no accounts of any evidence at all.
There's a difference there, but it must be invisible to Democrats.

 

[columbus]

We need a term combines deplorable with willfulness.

Heres a thought
The "dignorables".
A term for the deplorables after the election, as in "de-deplorable", who can now be ignored. With a decorative fillip of "dig" at the beginning, referring to how they all pitched in to dig a very deep hole.

Should I use the term in the title of the post election gloating thread I am planning?

~ The dignorables election gloating thread ~
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Heres a thought
The "dignorables".
A term for the deplorables after the election, as in "de-deplorable", who can now be ignored. With a decorative fillip of "dig" at the beginning, referring to how they all pitched in to dig a very deep hole.

Should I use the term in the title of the post election gloating thread I am planning?

~ The dignorables election gloating thread ~
Tom

The sanctimony of your post illustrates what is so wrong with so many Hillary fans.
They believe they're smarter & more knowledgeable, & dis those of us who find
her more dangerous, but they've no cogent argument to justify their choice....just
rationalizations based upon sweeping her shortcomings under the rug, & examining
only Trump's. This is smug & short sighted. They don't allow that reasonable people
can disagree....they have "The Truth".

 

[columbus]

just
rationalizations based upon sweeping her shortcomings under the rug,

I've been sweeping her shortcomings under a rug?
I pointed out that she is an accomplished liar and threw us gay people under the bus back when it was politically expedient. I despised every dupe on Capitol Hill who bought Bush's lies about Iraq.
Sorry dude, it's you dignorables who are sweeping shortcomings under the rug.
But I still love you. Especially in that blue kilt.

Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

I've been sweeping her shortcomings under a rug?
I pointed out that she is an accomplished liar and threw us gay people under the bus back when it was politically expedient. I despised every dupe on Capitol Hill who bought Bush's lies about Iraq.

It's exactly that kind of soft pedaling I speak of.
You don't mention her more significant faults.
But I was speaking more generally of Hillary fans, not just you.

Sorry dude, it's you dignorables who are sweeping shortcomings under the rug.
But I still love you. Especially in that blue kilt.

Tom

Your error is in thinking my corrections of false criticisms of Trump were "sweeping".
Example:
The claims that he believes all Muslims are terrorists is an invention.
No one has ever been able to support that claim.
So I certainly won't accept such criticism....tis not sweeping....tis debunking.
But even if he were bigoted about Muslims in that way, I don't see that as the
major problem....it's that he'd apply disparate treatment based upon religion.
The reasons I dislike both Trump & Hillary differ from your reasons, & this will
lead to our differing judgments regarding both candidates.

 

[idav]

Would a Hillary fan ever get why I'd support someone else?
This is an example of differences we have in weighing their traits.
I view her as the more flawed of the 2 (with respect to the presidency).
Despite her nominally more even temperament, she makes horrible decisions, eg, regarding war.
But note that behind the scenes, she is very abusive to staff, so I don't trust that her public
persona (which is crafted to win elections) reflects who she truly is.
At least with Trump, it's clear that his boorish behavior is not the tip of an iceberg.

Hillary is tolerant?
Remember that she opposed gay marriage until only recently.
She threatened to obliterate Iran.
We "deplorables" don't see the kind grandmotherly type which you might.

Yeah I get the whole no trust for current administration and distrust of Hillary but trust is even as far as I can tell between these two candidates. So all that aside I agree with the policies that are being presented from Hillarys side and appreciate how it's not going to hurt my family financially later on. I realize she is still a Christian and I personally don't care what she thinks privately about abortion or lgbt but appreciate the efforts to put human rights above personal ideas and agendas. Trump being more truthful about his dishonesty and intolerance doesn't make for a good argument in my eyes but he is honest about the policies I object to so there is that. His ideas on policies also show the intolerance. Tolerance doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with people but agreeing to let them alone.

 

[columbus]

Your error is in thinking my corrections of false criticisms of Trump were "sweeping".
Example:
The claims that he believes all Muslims are terrorists is an invention.
No one has ever been able to support that claim.

Nobody ever claimed he said that.
What he did say was that no Muslims would be allowed into the country.

You really should get your news from more sources than NPR.
Tom

 

[sun rise]

Would a Hillary fan ever get why I'd support someone else?
This is an example of differences we have in weighing their traits.
I view her as the more flawed of the 2 (with respect to the presidency).
Despite her nominally more even temperament, she makes horrible decisions, eg, regarding war.
But note that behind the scenes, she is very abusive to staff, so I don't trust that her public
persona (which is crafted to win elections) reflects who she truly is.
At least with Trump, it's clear that his boorish behavior is not the tip of an iceberg.

Hillary is tolerant?
Remember that she opposed gay marriage until only recently.
She threatened to obliterate Iran.
We "deplorables" don't see the kind grandmotherly type which you might.

If you were to have supported one of the adults running in the republican primary, I would have understood. But Donny is no more qualified to be President than a 6-month old golden retriever - less so actually. Fortunately he's going down in flames.

 

[sun rise]

Hillary is basically honest as all the fact-checkers show. Those who support Donny totally ignore his character and his utter unpreparedness to be President. If you want to see America in turmoil, consigned to a third-rate power, a lackey of Putin, mired in depression, with riots in the streets then vote for him. Here's just the latest example of this astonishingly bad character:

Donald Trump is stunningly vindictive, says Richard Branson
Technically Incorrect: The Virgin Galactic founder shares a story of lunch with the Republican nominee. He says he found it disturbing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah I get the whole no trust for current administration and distrust of Hillary but trust is even as far as I can tell between these two candidates.

Lack of trust isn't quite the problem.
I trust Hilda to be what her record indicates.
I don't trust Trump (because he lacks a political record).

So all that aside I agree with the policies that are being presented from Hillarys side and appreciate how it's not going to hurt my family financially later on. I realize she is still a Christian and I personally don't care what she thinks privately about abortion or lgbt but appreciate the efforts to put human rights above personal ideas and agendas. Trump being more truthful about his dishonesty and intolerance doesn't make for a good argument in my eyes but he is honest about the policies I object to so there is that. His ideas on policies also show the intolerance. Tolerance doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with people but agreeing to let them alone.

Most people look at the candidates, & what they're like personally.
That matters little to me compared to the effect I'd expect them to have in office.
It's why I preferred Bernie.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nobody ever claimed he said that.

Not true.
I just recently responded to such a post.

What he did say was that no Muslims would be allowed into the country.

Yes, & that is what I criticize.

You really should get your news from more sources than NPR.
Tom

You incorrectly imply that I don't, & so should presume less, & query more.
NPR actually has very little news.
Most of it is political gossip, opining about news, music, & really lame game shows.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you were to have supported one of the adults running in the republican primary, I would have understood.

No, that wouldn't have shed any light on my views.
I don't pay much attention to the primaries.
Why?
I find the whole process distasteful, offensive, tedious, & useless.
Once each side decides upon a candidate, then I'll look closely.

But Donny is no more qualified to be President than a 6-month old golden retriever - less so actually.

More histrionics?
Meh.

Fortunately he's going down in flames.

So you say.
You could be right.
I avoid thinking about who's ahead or behind.

 

[idav]

Lack of trust isn't quite the problem.
I trust Hilda to be what her record indicates.
I don't trust Trump (because he lacks a political record).

Most people look at the candidates, & what they're like personally.
That matters little to me compared to the effect I'd expect them to have in office.
It's why I preferred Bernie.

Well seems we can agree on some things apparently. We might disagree on what to expect.

 

[psychoslice]

Great ?, I don't think so.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

- Media and culture. While I try to support Canadian film and TV when I can, I have to admit that when I think of my favourite movies and TV shows, about 90% of them are American.

You can admit it, we already know. Canadians like American media more because Nickleback just really embarrassed your country.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You can admit it, we already know. Canadians like American media more because Nickleback just really embarrassed your country.

Oh - I remember being in a South Carolina bar about 10 years ago. A Nickelback song came on and I think I made an "ugh" sound or somehow communicated that I didn't like it.

One of the guys I was with - a Floridian who had been friendly with me all day - said to me "what - you don't like Nickelback?"

I said "not really."

His face changed. He said "they're my favourite band" and just stared at me intensely, I think waiting to say something bad about Nickelback so he could start a fight.

After a while, I said "okay" and turned back to the other guys I was with.

It was the strangest thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh - I remember being in a South Carolina bar about 10 years ago. A Nickelback song came on and I think I made an "ugh" sound or somehow communicated that I didn't like it.

One of the guys I was with - a Floridian who had been friendly with me all day - said to me "what - you don't like Nickelback?"

I said "not really."

His face changed. He said "they're my favourite band" and just stared at me intensely, I think waiting to say something bad about Nickelback so he could start a fight.

After a while, I said "okay" and turned back to the other guys I was with.

It was the strangest thing.

I'd never even heard of them.
Internet to the rescue!
From Wikipedia.....
Nickelback have been criticized due to their over-use of themes involving strippers, sex, prostitutes, drugs, and alcohol consumption,[102] and for the derivative, repetitive and formulaic nature of their music.[103][104][105] In November 2011, users of the music-oriented dating site Tastebuds.fm voted Nickelback as the number one musical turnoff, edging out Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga.[106] In May 2013, the readers of Rolling Stone magazine named Nickelback the second worst band of the 1990s, behind only Creed.[107]

 

[Shadow Wolf]

His face changed. He said "they're my favourite band" and just stared at me intensely, I think waiting to say something bad about Nickelback so he could start a fight.

And now he has embarrassed Americans far more than Trump every can (or maybe this guy just really needs help falling asleep, in which the band that reinvents softness, blandness, and dullness with each album might be good).

 

[Kartari]

Hi Revoltingest,

I'd never even heard of them.
Internet to the rescue!
From Wikipedia.....
Nickelback have been criticized due to their over-use of themes involving strippers, sex, prostitutes, drugs, and alcohol consumption,[102] and for the derivative, repetitive and formulaic nature of their music.[103][104][105] In November 2011, users of the music-oriented dating site Tastebuds.fm voted Nickelback as the number one musical turnoff, edging out Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga.[106] In May 2013, the readers of Rolling Stone magazine named Nickelback the second worst band of the 1990s, behind only Creed.[107]

Unfortunately, I have heard of them. Funny... for me, a LOT of pop music well fits the description of "derivative, repetitive and formulaic." Guess I'm getting old.