This is my (American Patriot/Isaac) response to URAVIP2ME.
Isaac, I believe because the word father means 'life giver' then the word father can be applied to Jesus because God granted or gave the power of the resurrection to Jesus.
VIP, what you have described is two fathers, certainly not orthodox trinitarianism. The Bible clearly teaches there is only ONE Father:
Mat 23:9
(9)
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Isaiah called Jesus eternal father or everlasting father because all those resurrected immortal to heaven [Rev 20v6; 5vs9,10], and all those resurrected on earth [Dan 12vs2,13] during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth can gain everlasting life right here on a paradisaic earth.
No, Isaiah called Jesus Everlasting Father because Isaiah understood who the Everlasting Father was: Jehovah God.
Isa 63:16
(16) Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not:
*** thou, O LORD, art our father *** , our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.
Isaiah championed the message of ONE God, ONE Creator, ONE Saviour, (ch. 44-46) and he understood there is but ONE Father, the everlasting Father, Jehovah God. Isaiah was not a trinitarian, any such concept would not only be foreign to him, but would be considered pagan and blasphemous. He then said that the Son born unto us would be the mighty God, the everlasting Father (Isaiah's ONLY God.)
Those resurrected to heaven like Jesus [John 5v26] gain immortality [death proof] life in oneself.
Since Jesus is the image of the invisible God, The LIFE that was in Him WAS the the Father:
Joh 14:10b
(10b)
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Doesn't the resurrected heavenly Jesus still think he is the Son of God at Rev 2v18 ?
As the man Christ Jesus, He was the Son of God. As the Everlasting Father, he was also God:
Rev 21:7
(7)
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Jesus claims to be our God and there is ONLY ONE GOD:
Eph 4:6
(6) (there is)
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Furthermore, Jesus claims we will be His Sons, making Him our Father; there is only one Father . (Eph 4:6, Mat 23:9)
Those resurrected on earth will still be dependent on food and water besides breath and obedience to God so they are not immortal but have everlasting life under their everlasting father [life giver] Christ Jesus.
There is only ONE resurection, which is at the coming of the Lord, at the END of creation, at the END of the thousand years. There will not be multiple resurrections.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Joh 6:54
(54)
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Isaac, would you agree that by the end of the thousand years those that are not destroyed will gain everlasting life or live forever under Christ as their eternal or everlasting [life-giving] father?
Yes, the ONE AND ONLY Everlasting Father:
Eph 4:6
(6) (there is)
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Rev 22:3
(3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
So VIP, do we have adequate substance here to debate? Look forward to hearing from you.
~American Patriot
