American sensibilities...

[Twilight Hue]

So's a topless, four year old girl playing in a back yard kiddie pool, but Americans apparently find this unacceptable, as well.

In the old days I saw plenty of topless little girls playing in the water. It was completely innocent and fine and was considered perfectly normal and socially acceptable. I was a kid myself then.

It was only when the breast started to develop that covering up began.

Now if it happens, aside from nudist environments, people likely would be accused as being exploitative of young children when nothing of the sort existed.

I absolutely hate this paranoid and wacked out self proclaimed puritan society that exists today using fear and paranoia to create major unwarranted problems over nothing.

At least parts of Europe had its sense and sensibility intact and didn't take everything to extremes. Much more laid back and comfortable. It was much more healthy and stress free as well.

 

[Vee]

Today we have explicit commercials for underwear, pharmaceuticals and medical procedures we'd never have seen in the past, but no live toplessness, or naked babies. Popular films and TV series from the '70s featuring braless women are blurred out. Nude sculptures and paintings are no longer allowed. I've even seen images of topless, four or five year old girls playing in a pool or at the beach blurred out.

There's no consistency, and none of it makes any sense. Acceptable ideas, images and topics constantly change.

I noticed that and coming from France, it's weird for me. Here's it's the opposite. Topless women on the beach are extremely common - and no one feels offended by someone else's body - but it's forbidden for pharma companies to advertise their product. Only health professionals can tell patients what medicine they should take and you can't even find paracetamol in a common shop. You have to go to a pharmacy where trained staff can advise you on what or how to take it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Who are the SJWs involved?
Heck, what social justice issue is involved in this?

And anyway, people's feelings do matter.

 

[Secret Chief]

you can't even find paracetamol in a common shop. You have to go to a pharmacy where trained staff can advise you on what or how to take it.

Good grief, the UK runs on para.

 

[Revoltingest]

SJWs think their feelings matter.

.....more than other people's.

 

[Brickjectivity]

But...why is the American audience seen as so fragile? Just how free is speech really?

Disney pushes in many ways. Everything American is portrayed as messed up in Disney films, but it doesn't portray all of America. It doesn't have any shows with rural people, unless they are backward rural people. It doesn't have religious Christians portrayed. Normal people are not portrayed as healthy. America is not present in its programming. Sometimes it seems like Disney wants to change Americans, but it will go to lengths to appear to be censoring things. It censored the word 'Vasectomy' so yay it is family friendly, but its going to continue to push for changed definitions of family in children's programming. You can't say that Disney is not trying to be progressive. I can think of many Disney films which were controversial or edgy to someone.

On the other hand 'Normal' is not entertaining. Of course they aren't going to be interested in normative family situations.

Its strange but lately people actually do try to teach gender identity to children in public school and through other means. Is Disney involved? If I am a parent I might wonder. I wouldn't put it past Disney to do that. What might suggest that Disney was involved? Well, perhaps if I saw a news article about a childrens show on Disney that was talking about vasectomies, perhaps if I saw that in the news then I'd wonder if Disney was involved. If I were a Disney exec I might be concerned, particularly given my channel's poor performance. I might be looking for ways to improve the performance of the channel.

Its an unusual time for Disney. Right now the streaming service war has been raging, and all of the streaming services have gotten themselves into a difficult position. Right now I can sign on to Disney+ for a month, watch every Marvel show, and then log out forever. Or if I am a parent I can sign on for a month, check to see if its going to try to teach my kids that they might be sexually confused and log out again forever.

This is a time when Disney is struggling to get families to use its channel and a time when viewers have found its expensive films disappointing, its not looking to host the first children's show to talk about vasectomies, no. Americans don't talk about vasectomies with other parent's children, and besides that Disney is already edgy. It already tries to educate children about expanded concepts of family like with two moms etc. So it is pushing, and it is hurting financially for that.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

And anyway, people's feelings do matter.

I think now we're often too worried by how an individual feels, rather than looking at things overall. Most things will offend someone, somewhere. In that context, I'm not sure their feelings DO matter.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Disney pushes in many ways. Everything American is portrayed as messed up in Disney films, but it doesn't portray all of America. It doesn't have any shows with rural people, unless they are backward rural people. It doesn't have religious Christians portrayed. Normal people are not portrayed as healthy. America is not present in its programming. Sometimes it seems like Disney wants to change Americans, but it will go to lengths to appear to be censoring things. It censored the word 'Vasectomy' so yay it is family friendly, but its going to continue to push for changed definitions of family in children's programming. You can't say that Disney is not trying to be progressive. I can think of many Disney films which were controversial or edgy to someone.

On the other hand 'Normal' is not entertaining. Of course they aren't going to be interested in normative family situations.

Its strange but lately people actually do try to teach gender identity to children in public school and through other means. Is Disney involved? If I am a parent I might wonder. I wouldn't put it past Disney to do that. What might suggest that Disney was involved? Well, perhaps if I saw a news article about a childrens show on Disney that was talking about vasectomies, perhaps if I saw that in the news then I'd wonder if Disney was involved. If I were a Disney exec I might be concerned, particularly given my channel's poor performance. I might be looking for ways to improve the performance of the channel.

Its an unusual time for Disney. Right now the streaming service war has been raging, and all of the streaming services have gotten themselves into a difficult position. Right now I can sign on to Disney+ for a month, watch every Marvel show, and then log out forever. Or if I am a parent I can sign on for a month, check to see if its going to try to teach my kids that they might be sexually confused and log out again forever.

This is a time when Disney is struggling to get families to use its channel and a time when viewers have found its expensive films disappointing, its not looking to host the first children's show to talk about vasectomies, no. Americans don't talk about vasectomies with other parent's children, and besides that Disney is already edgy. It already tries to educate children about expanded concepts of family like with two moms etc. So it is pushing, and it is hurting financially for that.

Far as I know, they never said 'vasectomy'. There was just a conversation between two adult dogs which an adult human could decode. Hardly something a 5 year old is going to latch onto. And a whole episode removed because of 'fluffy' references (farts)?

This show is exactly about a 'normal' Aussie family (portrayed as dogs). Mum, dad, and 2 girls. It's hardly 'edgy'.

 

[PureX]

As a parent of toddler...and an Aussie one at that...I've recently seen pretty much every episode of Bluey. Bluey didn't exist when my earlier kids were little, which is their loss, because it's great. Kinda like an Aussie version of Peppa Pig, but with actual humour and better stories.

And it's very Australian. Anyone watching it would get an actual idea of what life in Australia is like for many of us.
How we talk, but even just what the world looks like.
Whether that's tradies coming to work at your house, bin chickens, watching State of Origin rugby, or having a Barbie with neighbours.

Weirdly, it appears to get edited for American audiences...

Bluey was edited for American viewers – but global audiences deserve to see all of us

I get that you guys allow for more freedom of speech than us in a legal sense.
And I get that this is a company censoring, rather than something the American people have actually asked for.

But...why is the American audience seen as so fragile? Just how free is speech really?

(Note, there are one or two short example in the article of edited content if you're not familiar with Bluey. But also, if you're not familiar with Bluey, hunt down a couple of episodes (7 minutes long) and do yourself a favour!!

Wackadoo!

It's not about Americans being fragile. It's about businesses being afraid of sparking up the self-righteous ire of one group or other. Or even of one loud individual. Because it's bad for business. And because the news media is always looking for fodder to do exactly that. Because it's good for their business. Keeps the eyes and ears on the ads.

The US is a minefield of self-righteous indignation and law suits for profit and political lies called "talking points" and corporate sponsored misinformation and it all can 'kick off' anything at any time in the insane echo-chamber of mass media. And this is why someone in some board room decided that your show had to be "edited". Not for fear of causing any REAL offense, but for fear of triggering the insanity of current US culture.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Far as I know, they never said 'vasectomy'. There was just a conversation between two adult dogs which an adult human could decode. Hardly something a 5 year old is going to latch onto. And a whole episode removed because of 'fluffy' references (farts)?

This show is exactly about a 'normal' Aussie family (portrayed as dogs). Mum, dad, and 2 girls. It's hardly 'edgy'.

Cool. I got the word 'Vasectomy' from the article. Maybe Disney didn't edit it out. Maybe it was edited out before Disney got it. Here is an abstract:

"""Dubbed “censorship” by some publications, the changes to the third season, released in America on Disney+ this month, include Bandit not being hit in a sensitive area, a conversation about getting a vasectomy replaced with “getting dog teeth removed”, the horse Buttermilk no longer stands next to poo on screen and Aunt Trix is no longer seen on the toilet during a video call.""" --https://theconversation.com/amp/bluey-was-edited-for-american-viewers-but-global-audiences-deserve-to-see-all-of-us-188982​

I'm not a parent, but it occurs to me that none of the major streaming services allows a parent to select which shows a child may watch. Instead all of the kid shows are available to their kids or none at all. The parent has to trust the streaming service or else watch what the kid watches with the kids, and this could lead to some of the more extreme censorship. If your kid one day asks you what sex is or something like that, and you ask them where they heard and they say it was on some Disney cartoon then as a parent you may well wonder what else is on Disney cartoons. Hence Disney probably would be censoring that word to keep from that situation.

I'm not sure that all of the streaming services are this open. I haven't tried Roku and some others. There may be some which allow specific selection of shows.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Cool. I got the word 'Vasectomy' from the article. Maybe Disney didn't edit it out. Maybe it was edited out before Disney got it. Here is an abstract:

"""Dubbed “censorship” by some publications, the changes to the third season, released in America on Disney+ this month, include Bandit not being hit in a sensitive area, a conversation about getting a vasectomy replaced with “getting dog teeth removed”, the horse Buttermilk no longer stands next to poo on screen and Aunt Trix is no longer seen on the toilet during a video call.""" --https://theconversation.com/amp/bluey-was-edited-for-american-viewers-but-global-audiences-deserve-to-see-all-of-us-188982​

Disney edited the following conversation...

https://www.reddit.com/r/bluey/comm...else/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

No mention of the the word 'vasectomy' but that's clearly what the two guys are discussing.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Disney edited the following conversation...

https://www.reddit.com/r/bluey/comm...else/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

No mention of the the word 'vasectomy' but that's clearly what the two guys are discussing.

I admit we are on the whole a little uptight. I can't say for sure why, and the social scientists are still trying to figure it out. As usual I will blame WWII.

 

[Secret Chief]

I think now we're often too worried by how an individual feels, rather than looking at things overall. Most things will offend someone, somewhere. In that context, I'm not sure their feelings DO matter.

Well you've upset me now.

 

[pearl]

American TV is weird, and goes through stages. I saw topless Caucasian women on UHF TV in the fifties. Non-Caucasian topless women were OK on network TV from the '30s through the sixties. Award-winning, prime time series like Roots in the '70s or Shaka Zulu in the '80s featured topless women.

Yes, I remember the movie, which I loved, "Medicine Man" with Sean Conrey, the native Amazon women were all topless. Probably has something to do with natural as opposed to exploitative.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Lucky you, my daughter was a Postman Pat addict. Try watching every episode of that a thousand times.

Postman Pat beats Thomas the Tank Engine by a country mile. I grew to really resent Ringo Starr’s nasal whine on a Sunday morning.

 

[Truth in love]

As a parent of toddler...and an Aussie one at that...I've recently seen pretty much every episode of Bluey. Bluey didn't exist when my earlier kids were little, which is their loss, because it's great. Kinda like an Aussie version of Peppa Pig, but with actual humour and better stories.

And it's very Australian. Anyone watching it would get an actual idea of what life in Australia is like for many of us.
How we talk, but even just what the world looks like.
Whether that's tradies coming to work at your house, bin chickens, watching State of Origin rugby, or having a Barbie with neighbours.

Weirdly, it appears to get edited for American audiences...

Bluey was edited for American viewers – but global audiences deserve to see all of us

I get that you guys allow for more freedom of speech than us in a legal sense.
And I get that this is a company censoring, rather than something the American people have actually asked for.

But...why is the American audience seen as so fragile? Just how free is speech really?

(Note, there are one or two short example in the article of edited content if you're not familiar with Bluey. But also, if you're not familiar with Bluey, hunt down a couple of episodes (7 minutes long) and do yourself a favour!!

Wackadoo!

It’s a kids show. Adult content like a vasectomy should be not in a kids show. Most of the other edits mentioned seem petty.


I do find Disney to be odd. While sitting down to enjoy a MCU movie about some genocidal nut job trying to kill everyone I’m warned about tobacco use.

 

[Valjean]

It’s a kids show. Adult content like a vasectomy should be not in a kids show. Most of the other edits mentioned seem petty.


I do find Disney to be odd. While sitting down to enjoy a MCU movie about some genocidal nut job trying to kill everyone I’m warned about tobacco use.

What the heck is "adult content?" What makes reference to vasectomy or farts 'adult'? How is knowledge of normal, unremarkable human anatomy or bodily function harmful to non-adults?
Look around you. Have cultures where "adult" issues are open, and freely discussed disintegrated into chaos?
What is shocking or inappropriate to adults is learned.

Children are not shocked by a breast, a leg or an uncovered head, or by discussions of sex, ordinary anatomy, or bodily functions; not until they're taught to be shocked--by adults.

Crime, murder and bloody violence are normal, prime-time fare. Nobody seems much concerned about their affect on children. What makes farts or horse poo beyond the pale?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It’s a kids show. Adult content like a vasectomy should be not in a kids show. Most of the other edits mentioned seem petty.

Who gets to decide the 'should'?
Because I don't agree.

 

[Sand Dancer]

The Crush Pinball games are another good example of how had it gets. Illusion of Time/Gaia on the SNES also had some whack absurd edits made for the American audience, including removing references to cannibalism.
But, at the same time, there is definitely a market and appreciation for darker stuff, like the Crow or Nine Inch Nails and Spawn or Chuck Palahniuk novels (Guts even had me shocked and left in a stupor of "oh my god"s as I read the last part).
So, I guess in the extremes there are two parts of an American Coin. One side are the churchy, holier than thou arses who get worked up over the sight of a boob, and the other side are those who took the Vampire Chronicles and Vampire:The Masquerade way too far and literal.
And then there's Happy Tree Friends, Adult Swim, and South Park.

Maybe if we just dealt with things in a rational manner as they come, we might be better balanced.

 

[Sand Dancer]

What the heck is "adult content?" What makes reference to vasectomy or farts 'adult'?



Crime, murder and bloody violence are normal, prime-time fare. Nobody seems much concerned about their affect on children. What makes farts or horse poo beyond the pale?

I know, right? Kids love fart jokes! For some reason, violence is okay, but the human body is horrible.