Americastan.....Patriarchy Or Matriarchy?

[Revoltingest]

We've all agreed that women are not completely powerless, and that the term patriarchy is for general use only.

I understand your position, I really do. You're trying to show that women aren't as powerless as we may think, but we know that. It's just that it's not good enough. Men still dominate, and that is what makes it a patriarchy.

We'll agree to disagree (partially) then.

 

[Thana]

We'll agree to disagree (partially) then.

You disagree that our society is patriarchal?
And you base that seemingly completely on anecdotal evidence and the fact that more women exercise their right to vote than men in America.

I just don't see that as reasonable. So sure, I guess I agree that we disagree.

 

[Revoltingest]

You disagree that our society is patriarchal?

It's more that I find the term an inaccurate description.

And you base that seemingly completely on anecdotal evidence and the fact that more women exercise their right to vote than men in America.
I just don't see that as reasonable. So sure, I guess I agree that we disagree.

You don't like the evidence I offered.
I find your argument unconvincing.
What's left to cover?

 

[Revoltingest]

You disagree that our society is patriarchal?
And you base that seemingly completely on anecdotal evidence and the fact that more women exercise their right to vote than men in America.
I just don't see that as reasonable. So sure, I guess I agree that we disagree.

In the news.....
http://time.com/4220427/bernie-sanders-wellesley-hillary-clinton-femisim/

..... Bernie Sanders has become a shorthand for a progressive allegiance that is overwhelmingly popular among the younger generation. Exit polls in neighboring New Hampshire showed 82% of Democratic women under 30 backed Sanders, while 56% of women over 45 backed Clinton.
Those poll numbers show a generational divide among liberal women that suggests a sea change in feminist thought. For many older feminists, it seems only natural to support the most viable female presidential candidate to ever get this far, especially after the disappointment of the 2008 primary. But younger feminists are more likely to eschew traditional feminism....

Question....
If feminists (& a majority of women) vote for Bernie for prez,
is this a sign of "patriarchy" that we elected another male?
Or would it signify the power of women to determine who rules us,
but it's only a coincidence that they chose a male over Hillary?

 

[Thanda]

In the news.....
http://time.com/4220427/bernie-sanders-wellesley-hillary-clinton-femisim/

Question....
If feminists (& a majority of women) vote for Bernie for prez,
is this a sign of "patriarchy" that we elected another male?
Or would it signify the power of women to determine who rules us,
but it's only a coincidence that they chose a male over Hillary?

You see the difficulty is that, as I've contended before, women have always been part of the decisions that allocated rights and privileges to the sexes.

For example, as soon as black people in South Africa gained the right to vote, immediately the party in power was black. Likewise years before when the Afrikaners (the dutch) gained the right to vote they very soon afterwards voted an Afrikaner government in instead of the British one that ruled before. On the other hand whenever women have gained the right to vote there has been no immediate correlation between that right and the sex of the president.
This, to me at least, testifies to how oppressed (or not) most women have felt by men's leadership throughout history. It tells just how similar the values of men and women have always been and that women did not feel that they were being shortchanged by not actually having a woman as a head of state. This signifies the fact that women have in fact played a significant role in the formation of the values that shaped the political and legal climate of the country. For if women had historically been as shut out as some would have us believe, then we would expect a drastic change in the political environment as soon as they gained the power to vote. And, while some changes came, they clearly weren't as drastic as would be expected from a class of people who were alleged to have been treated as nothing more than property.