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An appeal for the logic of religious belief

Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
We have hammered each other over the fact that God is not evident in the universe.

Think about this:


"...the existence of an unseen force at work in human history is no less plausible and no less scholarly as an explanation for events than it is to consider the influence of unseen forces at work in the natural world (e.g. gravity)"...John S. Hatcher, The Ocean of His Words p 27

Does considering that make a difference in how you feel on the subject?

Regards,
Scott
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Popeyesays said:
We have hammered each other over the fact that God is not evident in the universe.

Think about this:


"...the existence of an unseen force at work in human history is no less plausible and no less scholarly as an explanation for events than it is to consider the influence of unseen forces at work in the natural world (e.g. gravity)"...John S. Hatcher, The Ocean of His Words p 27

Does considering that make a difference in how you feel on the subject?

Regards,
Scott
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No, it seems a terrible analogy. God is just unseen, He has not perceivable, measurable effect, completely unlike gravity.
 
Popeyesays

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Autodidact said:
No, it seems a terrible analogy. God is just unseen, He has not perceivable, measurable effect, completely unlike gravity.
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Gravity is way too weak to satisfy most physicists. It is not in balance with the strong force at all. That imbalance has shattered most efforts to forge a unified field theory. Einstein spent decades banging his head on the wall of the imbalance of gravity and the strong force.

It seems an even more apt analogy in that regard.

Regards,

Scott
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Popeyesays said:
Think about this:


"...the existence of an unseen force at work in human history is no less plausible and no less scholarly as an explanation for events than it is to consider the influence of unseen forces at work in the natural world (e.g. gravity)"...John S. Hatcher, The Ocean of His Words p 27

Does considering that make a difference in how you feel on the subject?
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No, not for me. Gravity is not an "unseen" force to the extent that it's effects are well-specified and measurable. God, in general, is a less scholarly explanation i.m.o. because God's effects on human history cannot be measured: God's effects are either not well-specified, or do not contrast with the already-established effects of human psyche, culture, etc.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I agree with those who say it's not a very good analogy to compare god to gravity because god has no measurable effects while gravity does have measurable effects. In fact, I think Hatcher is being a bit superficial in this case.
 
Mr. Peanut

Mr. Peanut

Active Member
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
As a person of faith, I have to say that my faith is more rhetoric than logical. It is based on feelings. ;)
 
F

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
The belief in a creator is the only logical worldview imho.

I was an atheist for a long time, and it nearly killed me. No offense to my atheist friends here, but for me I found I just couldn't muster the faith to sustain that particular worldview.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Super Universe said:
What proof do you have of this?

It is only your wish that this is true, it's not really true.
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O.K., what perceivable, measurable effect do you think God has? And actually you're quite wrong. I had no wish at all for there to either be a God or not be a God, only a wish to figure out the answer. The answer appears to me to be that there isn't, but I'd be just as happy if there were.
 
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