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An Atheist's Objections To Christianity/Theism-Scientific, Historical, Logical, Moral

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WWFStern

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An Atheist's Objections To Christianity/Theism--Scientific, Historical, Logical and Moral

I. Scientific Objections to Christianity:

A. Adam and Eve story.
1. How did God create a female (Eve) from the male DNA of Adam's rib?
2. How did Adam and Eve successfully mate and produce offspring when, at most, they had identical DNA, and at least, they were twins?
3. How did a snake acquire the ability to speak in human language?

B. Crossing the Red Sea.
Stipulating: The sea is roughly 1900km long and at its widest is more than 300km. The sea floor has a maximum depth of 2,500m in the central median trench and an average depth of 500m, but it also has extensive shallow shelves, noted for their marine life and corals. The sea has a surface area of roughly 438,000 or 450,000km².
1. Stipulating that, how did Moses and the Israelites pass through it? After all, it was substantial enough to deluge Pharaoh's army.
2. If the sea was parted, how precisely was that done?

C. Jesus' resurrection.
1. How did Jesus rise from the dead, and walk around good as new, when after three days of death he would be brain dead, with decayed muscles, bloated from gasses, with blisters on his skin and with millions of dead and useless cells, including dead and useless heart and kidney cells?

It should be noted that brain death is irreversible in every instance. In no circumstance, in no situation, for no reason, is brain death reversible. It cannot be turned back. It is permanent.

For a forensic refresher...

Upon death, this happens:

Although brain cells may survive for no more than 5 minutes after somatic death, those of the heart can survive for about 15 minutes and those of the kidney for about 30 minutes.

The Degree of Rigidity of the Body (Rigor Mortis)

4-6 hr - onset of rigor mortis in the neck & jaw.
12 hr - rigor mortis is well established.
18-24 hrs - rigor mortis is partially resolved due to muscle decomposition.
30 hr - rigor mortis has resolved.

*Note: Jesus still has 42 more hours of decomposition to endure before his corpse reanimates and walks around*

The Degree of Decomposition of the Body.

18-24 hr - greenish red skin, rigor is resolving.
30 hrs - rigor is resolved, body is flaccid.
3 days - body swells as gas forms. Blisters form on the skin.

*Note: Did the disciple witnesses mention Jesus was very swollen or had blisters all over his skin?*

D. From AnswersInGenesis:

"The National Academy of Science (USA) has recently produced a guidebook for public school teachers, Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science (see detailed rebuttal). This book tries to assure readers that neither the NAS nor evolution are anti-Christian. But a recent survey published in the leading science journal Nature conclusively showed that the National Academy of Science is anti-God to the core. A survey of all 517 NAS members in biological and physical sciences resulted in just over half responding. 72.2 % were overtly atheistic, 20.8 % agnostic, and only 7.0 % believed in a personal God. Belief in God and immortality was lowest among biologists."

E. Noah's Ark.
1. How is it possible to hold all the world’s species in an ark with the dimensions specified? There are possibly up to 100 million animal species alone.
2. How is it possible to feed these millions of animals?
3. How did specific species and classes of animals become trapped on different continents? For example, most marsupials are only found in Australia. If the Noah’s Ark story were true, then we should expect a more homogeneous converge of species.
4. Why didn't many aquatic ecosystems die off from the massive change in salinity?
5. Why didn't many modern plants die out, as they should have?


II. Historical Objections:
A. This historical objection relates directly back to the Noah's Ark scientific objection. In the following narrative, a historically-sound explanation is given for the Noah's Ark legend. In contrast to Noah's Ark, the following narrative can be supported by science, archeology and history...

"Ziusudra reigned for ten years as king of Shuruppak, a Sumerian city then on the Euphrates River. Ziusudra's reign was at the end of the Jemdet Nasr period that ended with the flood of 2900 BC. Then as now, river barges were used for transporting cargo on the Euphrates River. This cargo included livestock, beer, wine, textiles, lumber, stone, metals, dried fish, vegetable oil, and other cargo. In June about 2900 BC during the annual inundation of the Euphrates River, the river was at crest stage. A six-day thunderstorm caused the river to rise about 15 cubits (22 feet) higher and overflow the levees. By the time the river began to rise, it was already too late to evacuate to the foothills of the mountains 110 miles away. Ziusudra boarded one of the barges that was already loaded with cargo being transported to market. The runaway barge floated down the Euphrates River into the Persian Gulf and grounded in an estuary at the mouth of the river. After moving to dry land, Ziusudra offered a sacrifice to a Sumerian god on an altar at the top of a temple ziggurat, an artificial hill. Later, storytellers mistranslated the ambiguous word for hill as mountain. The storytellers then erroneously assumed that the nearby barge must have grounded on top of a mountain."

B. Moses/Israelite Enslavement/Egypt

"The school of skeptics called Biblical minimalism, whose views are commonplace among academics, suggest Moses never actually existed as a historical figure, and the events of Exodus, uncorroborated, are the products of pure myth. There is no extra-biblical evidence that Moses existed as a historical person."

"Several professors of archeology claim that many stories in the Old Testament, including important chronicles about Moses, Solomon, and others, were actually made up for the first time by scribes hired by King Josiah (7th century BC) in order to rationalize monotheistic belief in Yahweh. Evidently, the neighboring countries that kept many written records, such as Egypt, Assyria, etc., have no writings about the stories of the Bible or its main characters before 650 BC. Such claims are detailed in "Who Were the Early Israelites?" by William G Dever, William B Eerdmans Publishing Co, Grand Rapids, MI (2003). Another such book by Neil A Silberman and colleagues is "The Bible Unearthed", Simon and Schuster, New York (2001)."

"It is important to note that to date there is no historical mention of the enslavement of Jews by Egypt or of their rescue in any capacity by any person outside of The Bible. There is no archeological evidence that any group of people, much less one of about 600,000 people, wandered a desert for 40 years. Biblical purists chalk this up to the fact that Egypt eliminated any type of failures from their history and did not make records of such events, and surely the loss of a group of slaves would have been viewed as a failure."
from Wikipedia.com


III. Logical Objections:
A. I see no point in believing in a God, even if one does exist, when I know nothing about this deity's nature or expectations. For example, God could be benevolent and care about my actions. Or, God could be malevolent and care about my actions. Or, God could be benevolent and not care about my actions. Or, God could be malevolent and not care about my actions. Saying "I follow the Christian faith just in case God exists" is utterly nonsensical. That would be like somebody saying, "I follow the Satanist faith just in case a malevolent God exists." With limitless plausible possibilities, there is no way one can "be on the safe side" in terms of not offending God.


IV. Moral Objections:
A. God's apparent bloodlust.

I'll quote the Scripture:

Now the LORD had said to Moses, "I will bring one more plague on Pharaoh and on Egypt. After that, he will let you go from here, and when he does, he will drive you out completely. Tell the people that men and women alike are to ask their neighbors for articles of silver and gold." (The LORD made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and Moses himself was highly regarded in Egypt by Pharaoh's officials and by the people.)
So Moses said, "This is what the LORD says: 'About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt-worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.
Exodus 11 (1-6)

Rather than simply smacking the Pharaoh upside the head for refusing to let the Israelites go free, God instead chose to murder every firstborn son in Egypt. This, of course, was after already turning the sea water to blood, thereby killing all the innocent fish, as well as afflicting the livestock with pestilence, among other offenses.

What did the poor slave girl do to warrant her firstborn son being murdered? Did the slave girl set the Pharaoh's policies? Did the slave girl's firstborn son set the Pharaoh's policies? Here, God is shifting the blame from its rightful shoulders (those of the Pharaoh) to a mass of innocent people. It's staggeringly vicious and cruel; especially in light of the fact that God supposedly has completely limitless options. With that in mind, God CHOSE this course of action.
 
M

Majikthise

Guest
You're coming on kind of strong from the get go.Try introducing yourself first.:cool:

Welcome to RF!!!:D

Majikthise
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
WWFStern said:
It should be noted that brain death is irreversible in every instance. In no circumstance, in no situation, for no reason, is brain death reversible. It cannot be turned back. It is permanent.

Here is a story about a woman who was killed on purpose so they could do surgery, then she was brought back.
But during "standstill", Pam's brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain.

Apparantly, it is not always permanent or irreversable.
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
Nothing is impossible for God and everything is done for God's will....even if it seems illogical to humans.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Sorry, but most of those arguments are ignorant of basic science and religious ideas.

How did God create Eve from Adam's DNA? Well males have an X chromosome, all God had to do is duplicate it.

How did they successfully mate, even though they were related? It does happen you know, viable children often result from incestual (sp?) pregnancies, humans are genetically very similar anyway.

How did a snake speak in a human tongue? It wasn't a snake, it was the Devil.

Crossing the Red Sea? Actually it was the Sea of Reeds, Red Sea was a mistranslation. The Sea of Reeds was much shallower and smaller.

How did Jesus rise from the dead? He was the son of God! He had magic powers.

I could go on, but i won't bother...

I'd suggest you do a little research on the next faith you try to argue against, then at least you can make worthwhile arguments. Christians don't believe Jesus was just a man, and they believe God can do whatever the hell He wants - using scientific arguments to counter the idea of the Ressurection is fine for atheists who don't believe Jesus was divine, but are useless when used against the faithful.
 

WWFStern

New Member
EnhancedSpirit said:
Here is a story about a woman who was killed on purpose so they could do surgery, then she was brought back.

But during "standstill", Pam's brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain.

Apparantly, it is not always permanent or irreversable.
Some information on brain death, to clear up any confusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death

Brain death, BY DEFINITION, is totally irreversible.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
WWFStern said:
"Several professors of archeology claim that many stories in the Old Testament, including important chronicles about Moses, Solomon, and others, were actually made up for the first time by scribes hired by King Josiah (7th century BC) in order to rationalize monotheistic belief in Yahweh. Evidently, the neighboring countries that kept many written records, such as Egypt, Assyria, etc., have no writings about the stories of the Bible or its main characters before 650 BC. Such claims are detailed in "Who Were the Early Israelites?" by William G Dever, William B Eerdmans Publishing Co, Grand Rapids, MI (2003). Another such book by Neil A Silberman and colleagues is "The Bible Unearthed", Simon and Schuster, New York (2001)."
Out of curiosity, have you read either book. My very strong suspicion is that you have not done so (I have, by the way), but I thought I'd check just in case. :)
 
If god decided to torture your family, then torture you, he'd be just in doing so, as he is the source of morality, and anything he does is good. Moral objections hold no weight against the deity, which it is based upon.
The rest of the post is pretty meaningless.
I always find it funny how atheists take issue with faith in Christ, and unbelieveable events, yet do not realise their own religion, that is, atheism, is also based on faith.
 

blueman

God's Warrior
WWFStern said:
An Atheist's Objections To Christianity/Theism--Scientific, Historical, Logical and Moral

I. Scientific Objections to Christianity:

A. Adam and Eve story.
1. How did God create a female (Eve) from the male DNA of Adam's rib?
2. How did Adam and Eve successfully mate and produce offspring when, at most, they had identical DNA, and at least, they were twins?
3. How did a snake acquire the ability to speak in human language?

B. Crossing the Red Sea.
Stipulating: The sea is roughly 1900km long and at its widest is more than 300km. The sea floor has a maximum depth of 2,500m in the central median trench and an average depth of 500m, but it also has extensive shallow shelves, noted for their marine life and corals. The sea has a surface area of roughly 438,000 or 450,000km².
1. Stipulating that, how did Moses and the Israelites pass through it? After all, it was substantial enough to deluge Pharaoh's army.
2. If the sea was parted, how precisely was that done?

C. Jesus' resurrection.
1. How did Jesus rise from the dead, and walk around good as new, when after three days of death he would be brain dead, with decayed muscles, bloated from gasses, with blisters on his skin and with millions of dead and useless cells, including dead and useless heart and kidney cells?


It should be noted that brain death is irreversible in every instance. In no circumstance, in no situation, for no reason, is brain death reversible. It cannot be turned back. It is permanent.

For a forensic refresher...

Upon death, this happens:

Although brain cells may survive for no more than 5 minutes after somatic death, those of the heart can survive for about 15 minutes and those of the kidney for about 30 minutes.

The Degree of Rigidity of the Body (Rigor Mortis)

4-6 hr - onset of rigor mortis in the neck & jaw.
12 hr - rigor mortis is well established.
18-24 hrs - rigor mortis is partially resolved due to muscle decomposition.
30 hr - rigor mortis has resolved.

*Note: Jesus still has 42 more hours of decomposition to endure before his corpse reanimates and walks around*

The Degree of Decomposition of the Body.

18-24 hr - greenish red skin, rigor is resolving.
30 hrs - rigor is resolved, body is flaccid.
3 days - body swells as gas forms. Blisters form on the skin.

*Note: Did the disciple witnesses mention Jesus was very swollen or had blisters all over his skin?*

D. From AnswersInGenesis:

"The National Academy of Science (USA) has recently produced a guidebook for public school teachers, Teaching about Evolution and the Nature of Science (see detailed rebuttal). This book tries to assure readers that neither the NAS nor evolution are anti-Christian. But a recent survey published in the leading science journal Nature conclusively showed that the National Academy of Science is anti-God to the core. A survey of all 517 NAS members in biological and physical sciences resulted in just over half responding. 72.2 % were overtly atheistic, 20.8 % agnostic, and only 7.0 % believed in a personal God. Belief in God and immortality was lowest among biologists."

E. Noah's Ark.
1. How is it possible to hold all the world’s species in an ark with the dimensions specified? There are possibly up to 100 million animal species alone.
2. How is it possible to feed these millions of animals?
3. How did specific species and classes of animals become trapped on different continents? For example, most marsupials are only found in Australia. If the Noah’s Ark story were true, then we should expect a more homogeneous converge of species.
4. Why didn't many aquatic ecosystems die off from the massive change in salinity?
5. Why didn't many modern plants die out, as they should have?


II. Historical Objections:
A. This historical objection relates directly back to the Noah's Ark scientific objection. In the following narrative, a historically-sound explanation is given for the Noah's Ark legend. In contrast to Noah's Ark, the following narrative can be supported by science, archeology and history...

"Ziusudra reigned for ten years as king of Shuruppak, a Sumerian city then on the Euphrates River. Ziusudra's reign was at the end of the Jemdet Nasr period that ended with the flood of 2900 BC. Then as now, river barges were used for transporting cargo on the Euphrates River. This cargo included livestock, beer, wine, textiles, lumber, stone, metals, dried fish, vegetable oil, and other cargo. In June about 2900 BC during the annual inundation of the Euphrates River, the river was at crest stage. A six-day thunderstorm caused the river to rise about 15 cubits (22 feet) higher and overflow the levees. By the time the river began to rise, it was already too late to evacuate to the foothills of the mountains 110 miles away. Ziusudra boarded one of the barges that was already loaded with cargo being transported to market. The runaway barge floated down the Euphrates River into the Persian Gulf and grounded in an estuary at the mouth of the river. After moving to dry land, Ziusudra offered a sacrifice to a Sumerian god on an altar at the top of a temple ziggurat, an artificial hill. Later, storytellers mistranslated the ambiguous word for hill as mountain. The storytellers then erroneously assumed that the nearby barge must have grounded on top of a mountain."

B. Moses/Israelite Enslavement/Egypt

"The school of skeptics called Biblical minimalism, whose views are commonplace among academics, suggest Moses never actually existed as a historical figure, and the events of Exodus, uncorroborated, are the products of pure myth. There is no extra-biblical evidence that Moses existed as a historical person."

"Several professors of archeology claim that many stories in the Old Testament, including important chronicles about Moses, Solomon, and others, were actually made up for the first time by scribes hired by King Josiah (7th century BC) in order to rationalize monotheistic belief in Yahweh. Evidently, the neighboring countries that kept many written records, such as Egypt, Assyria, etc., have no writings about the stories of the Bible or its main characters before 650 BC. Such claims are detailed in "Who Were the Early Israelites?" by William G Dever, William B Eerdmans Publishing Co, Grand Rapids, MI (2003). Another such book by Neil A Silberman and colleagues is "The Bible Unearthed", Simon and Schuster, New York (2001)."

"It is important to note that to date there is no historical mention of the enslavement of Jews by Egypt or of their rescue in any capacity by any person outside of The Bible. There is no archeological evidence that any group of people, much less one of about 600,000 people, wandered a desert for 40 years. Biblical purists chalk this up to the fact that Egypt eliminated any type of failures from their history and did not make records of such events, and surely the loss of a group of slaves would have been viewed as a failure."
from Wikipedia.com


III. Logical Objections:
A. I see no point in believing in a God, even if one does exist, when I know nothing about this deity's nature or expectations. For example, God could be benevolent and care about my actions. Or, God could be malevolent and care about my actions. Or, God could be benevolent and not care about my actions. Or, God could be malevolent and not care about my actions. Saying "I follow the Christian faith just in case God exists" is utterly nonsensical. That would be like somebody saying, "I follow the Satanist faith just in case a malevolent God exists." With limitless plausible possibilities, there is no way one can "be on the safe side" in terms of not offending God.


IV. Moral Objections:
A. God's apparent bloodlust.

I'll quote the Scripture:

Now the LORD had said to Moses, "I will bring one more plague on Pharaoh and on Egypt. After that, he will let you go from here, and when he does, he will drive you out completely. Tell the people that men and women alike are to ask their neighbors for articles of silver and gold." (The LORD made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and Moses himself was highly regarded in Egypt by Pharaoh's officials and by the people.)
So Moses said, "This is what the LORD says: 'About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt-worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.
Exodus 11 (1-6)

Rather than simply smacking the Pharaoh upside the head for refusing to let the Israelites go free, God instead chose to murder every firstborn son in Egypt. This, of course, was after already turning the sea water to blood, thereby killing all the innocent fish, as well as afflicting the livestock with pestilence, among other offenses.

What did the poor slave girl do to warrant her firstborn son being murdered? Did the slave girl set the Pharaoh's policies? Did the slave girl's firstborn son set the Pharaoh's policies? Here, God is shifting the blame from its rightful shoulders (those of the Pharaoh) to a mass of innocent people. It's staggeringly vicious and cruel; especially in light of the fact that God supposedly has completely limitless options. With that in mind, God CHOSE this course of action.
What you fail to realize in your argument is that with God, all things are possible. He is Sovereign, meaning He can do what He wants, when He wants and in any form He wants. We are all limited by our secular views, biases and intelligence and we cannot fathom the awesome mind and power of the Almighty God. You have every right to question and doubt, because God gave you a free will to do so. God also requires a measure of faith from His children.:jiggy:
 

blueman

God's Warrior
Jesus rose from the dead on the third day after His cruxifiction because He was God in the flesh. Why has there never been any evidence of His body being found? You would have thought some archeologists over the last 2000 years would have found some evidence that Jesus's claim that they (sinful men) would tear down the temple (referring to Himself and His pending cruxifiction), but in three days, it would be rebuilt again (referring to His resurrection). Was Jesus a fraud or God in the flesh? I take the latter.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Frankly, Stern, it seems that your sermon resolves itself down to two key points:
  1. The least defensible form of Christianity is the least defensible.
  2. God would have to be God to do the stuff attributed to him.
Add the Red Sea silliness and the attempt seems a little thoughtless.
 

Pah

Uber all member
blueman said:
What you fail to realize in your argument is that with God, all things are possible. He is Sovereign, meaning He can do what He wants, when He wants and in any form He wants. We are all limited by our secular views, biases and intelligence and we cannot fathom the awesome mind and power of the Almighty God. You have every right to question and doubt, because God gave you a free will to do so. God also requires a measure of faith from His children.:jiggy:
From my perspective, I don't see him exercising his soverieignty to the good of his worshipers. I refer to the real Christian persecutions in Africa and other places. I wonder whether he chose a side in the Irish conflict or 9/11 or was he indifferent. I think about evangelicals arraigned against Christian homosexuals. I puzzle over why people of the old covenent are fighting against other people who claim the same God. Somebody is wrong or all are wrong and I see no justification for any follower of God to claim his "power".
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
When we define God as the Divine being that our human law, human logic, human reasoning, human knowledge, do not apply, then there is no point in debating any of the points raised in WWFStern posting.
It is not even necessary to try to explain the snake is the Devil etc, as what is required is that you have FAITH in believing what the Bible says. Or more frequently simply use the blueman's reasoning of: limited human cannot understand the limitless God. If blueman accept that principle, I wonder why is he reading RF? Trying to put across the idea of mysterious God that human can never fathom?
 

Dr._buzz

Member
you see this is what confuses me. you guys are willing to be led by

A. a guy u dont know
B. a guy who killed people for not putting blood on their door
C. a guy u havent evn seen

you keep talkin about god and his limitless powers and how he will save us all. well when i nearly died of a heartattack i didn't sit on my butt and hope god would save me, i picked up the pone and called an ambulance.

sure christianity lets u believe everything will be just peachy and grand for the rest of your life but when u love dies you'll question why? why did my mother die? all of your life leading up to now has been full of decisions and those decisions affect how you'll live and what you do. not god. how would u fell about destiny. u r predetermined to do these certain things for the rest of your life. that would seriosly bite! u can't do anything else unless it predetermined by god and in the end if god is fake you have wasted your life.

i reckon its the perfect scam. beleive in god do good and you'll go to heaven, but be bad and what eva else and go to hell. but when your dead, what if there is no heaven or hell. you cant tell anyone about it because, well, your dead, lifeless.
 

njcl

Active Member
you sound bitter over a family loss and thats only natural and god comes in for the blame as he is the creator but death is merely passing from one realm to another in the christian faith,i wish all would believe in christ and then you could meet your loved ones in the next life

side note - was the snake satan in genesis,i thought it was merely a snake and thats why god cursed it and caused it to have to slither along the ground??
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Physical death is but a transition. I know these are hollow words, when you see this as nothing but a total loss.

I mourn for your loss, even though I do not know you.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
njcl said:
you sound bitter over a family loss and thats only natural and god comes in for the blame as he is the creator but death is merely passing from one realm to another in the christian faith,i wish all would believe in christ :162: and then you could meet your loved ones in the next life

side note - was the snake satan in genesis,i thought it was merely a snake and thats why god cursed it and caused it to have to slither along the ground??
Almost every human being has an 'inbuilt natural love' for fellow human being, especially those who have been companion over a long period of time, namely the family members. Every one will feel sad with the departure of a close relative/friend. Non-theist just took it as a matter of what happen in life, and accept that what is gone is gone. Theist refused to accept this, and hope to have a next life, or some eternal life, hence religion is born. Some religion are not too painful, like the Bhuddism, advocating re-incarnation, and attempt to better oneself in this limited life span. On the other hand the monotheism could be pretty scary, as it is just like President Bush said "Either you are with us or against us",:help: ......So in the monotheism, you have the heaven and hell. The idea of the heaven is to create a world of comfort, so that those who believe will have a sanctuary when their close loved one died:D . The idea of hell is of different purpose, mainly I think is to force non-believer into conforming into one religious family. This of course may have the back-fire effect, such as that happened to Darwin, and most atheist, or deconverted Christians or Muslim.

Snake or Devil in disguise is again another topic that will have no end to it, as human limited knowledge and understanding of language will never allow a definite answer to the interpretation of the bible, be it this topic or those raised in the first post.:bonk:
 

Finnyhaha

Member
How Valid Are These Objections In Your View??
Firstly, I would dispense of all the scientific objections. While they may be valid when debating with a creationist or someone else who takes the Bible as a science textbook, they are not effective when dealing with most believers. Science simply will not stand up to the attack of the blind faith syndrome.


The historical arguments also are a bit weak. Many Christians would say that the stories of the Exodus, etc, were more like "instructive fables" than literal fact. Others would attest that the historical records do not matter, they are human-made and do not stand a chance of competing with the accounts set down by God in the Bible.

Logically all you have said is that you "see no point in believing in God". This does nothing to disprove his existance.

When it comes down to morals I agree with you. The god portrayed in the Bible is un-just. If he were a human kind the U.S. would be bombing his country and replacing him with someone less tyranical and bloodthirsty. However, moral objections can not disprove that the god of the Bible exists, only that your morals or my morals say that this god is not worthy of being called by that title.

Finny
 

Pah

Uber all member
Ordination of Aaron said:
I always find it funny how atheists take issue with faith in Christ, and unbelieveable events, yet do not realise their own religion, that is, atheism, is also based on faith.
It's a very weak argument you post when the evidence for God is only found in revelation and an Atheist's evidence is largely backed by science. We have no need to make a leap to faith when the compeling reasons are right in front of us. The is no (and no need of) faith in Atheism.
 
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