An Easy Jesus for Practical Atheists

[rational experiences]

If a human says prove your god. They expect a humans science answer.

Yet scientists said God was earth products...gods. God was earths heavens owned by earth.

Sciences God a story theme.

So if you use lots of gods as products the question why was it changed to a theme over Lorded preaching of one God?

With man claiming one God is my god?

As human science hurt us by
Diminishing mass.

Water Dimishes when heated from mass back into droplets said theists.

We don't live in droplets. Mass of water needs oxygenation for biology.

Living by breathing being.

Was the holy water baptised your life. As God is mass said the one teaching first.

The pressure of mass is important for the presence of mass a lAw.

The Jesus teaching. As teaching teacher was Jesus.

 

[osgart]

Jesus definitely promoted that it is better to give than receive, give to the poor, sick, and elderly, to live modestly acquiring riches in heaven and not on Earth, and to whom much is given much is required. Being rich was perilous to the soul.

Conservative Christianity is in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught radical giving. Jesus wants the poor clothed and fed.
Jesus did such things as an example of what people should do thereafter.

Brotherly love was the goal. To live in service to others even, and especially at pain of death to live no other way.

There are very, very little true Christians, if any at all.

The idea is brilliant. However there's other teachings that are totally inferior. Jesus is a myth, but the teachings are radical.

 

[rational experiences]

If you say did men cause one man to be named Jesus as both loving man and then sacrificed man.

No beginning name as end also. First name also surname?

Was nothing then nothing first in thesis.

Like Trump in the bible. End name sur name only?

Or Galileo sun theist quote inherited causes lie gaol?

Yes.

Men did it to one man to inherit by design thinker a mans choice. First. Not science first. Nothing in thesis first.

So one man became a new teacher of men as just a man?

Yes.

Reasoned he wasn't a baby given the life named Jesus first. He was just a baby first who became a baby.

So theists say but Jehovah occurred before it's not about this man.

Really! Of course you did temple pyramid blow up the buildings structures before by UFO landing ark!!!. So of course the review was not the same man teaching.

Yes said science we had.

Did man thesis theory of two O pi and Phi O? First as bodies.
Numbers to a symbol circle?

Yes. Had to as the living a man to impose thesis then inventive design he built.

Not number counts really. Or multiplication 2x2.

Science taught him no man is science. No man is God.

Twice.

Now he is living third attempt to destroy life by thesis no man is God.

Trump. No ET said bible predictions humans prophesing with life of man present assessed. Not President...present. Trump blasts trumpet. Pre sent says the man I inherit name Trump message.

Earths magnetism changed. Earth mass gone. New sin holes exact evidence. In his presence when a rich man leads earths science changes ET.

Theists scientists about ET.

Science isn't wrong he confessed by science quotes...though his machines haven't as yet all had to shut down. By blow up. Science this time he says quoting only science conditions isn't wrong yet.

One by one he said in every nation was the attack.

So far several power plants have nearly blown up one by one. One God he says.

As two in thesis by humans is from ones presence consciousness to exist to compare two exist the same. Equal answer.

By human comparing. Where it's not your place in life to compare said the human teaching.

Do loving men now exist with evil minded men?

Two?

Yes. Displaced two. Two loving humans first were man woman.

So Trump in life humans said is a card game.

We think we will trump said science in America by bible.

His story from english lords who always tried to usurp the queen.

Why father said daughter innocent as King high priest scientist first forced daughter by families life threatened to serve with him.

Father in America nation is not trump.

He is displaced in his nation.

Brother as one says I will displace my brother in his nation.

All egotists destroyers think the same. Any other brother can be displaced. I am the better one. I am better as one more powerful using gods powers...inventions.

The gambler song said know when to walk away know when to run. When I was crown of thorns a teaching brain prickled irradiated I ran around the room wanting to scream.

Cloud man memory had showed me the same man scenario before. Thanks for your evil lesson.

So I've told you as I am woman. I am not a machine thesis life where you take talk falsely about designed life by terms lying and put my life ownership woman mother of Jesus the human baby inside said machine to react.

As man of sciences takes from mass first. I'm not God anywhere.

As biology is exact. Living in heavens. A human only.

So instead he takes a machine thesis experiments pretends I am living inside his thesis heavens machine thesis then reacts experiments on my life.

Using machines in every status.

By theme all abstract. An alien is a human inside of a metal machine.

Is in reality a lying human theist. Pretending I am inside his machine as a human. As I am inside the heavens as mass not a machine.

His mind says alien inside machine inside heavens possesses him.

Destroyer minds.

Father said a hole in space is exactly where it is. Nothing like earth owning gases. Methane from sink hole open closes releases then time shifts mass by conversion of masses of gas ... disappearance as holes.

Involves all variations to missing ships planes as heat coming out activating suck up to suck up flowing down. From holes in God.

America said father is a big hole first.

Gods hole on earth right beneath them as theist who already displaced the nation's brother.

Brother thinking. He can lose his land. His money. His lifestyle. His riches. His resources and I will obtain them. I want gods earth mass to shift by machine conditions.

Conscious living on earth only advice.

Is his conscious human destroyer belief. Theists use that mind state as personalities.

He said gods were one gods and gods as ones.

Any nation.

So he lives right where his mind said I will transport displace my brother. Talking to himself. As he owns God earths space hole himself.

On earth. Right beneath his feet where he walks not runs.

To do a psychic appraisal of consciousness itself... first a brother decided to thesis consciousness. So his sister gets conscious answers as consciousness did not invent science.

Vision owned it first.

So he theories I know the state image owns the science I want. Vision image. As its advice is a man's memories.

So I've told him what Jesus never knew. As Jesus was never machine conscious experimented on by his brothers.

 

[blü 2]

If any person has read the Gospels, then she knows that following Jesus means great sacrifices. He "advised" his male followers to become "eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven" (Matthew 19:12), and he explained that to attain eternal life involves giving away all one's possessions to the poor (Matthew 19:15-22). Needless to say, very few Christian men castrate themselves either literally or figuratively, and neither do most Christians give away all their possessions to the poor. They know full well that to follow Jesus in either way would be very difficult indeed.

So what's going on here? Are Christians being hypocrites, or are they unaware of what Jesus preached? Based on what Christians have told me about the demands Jesus made on his followers, those demands do not apply to them. Not really. For example, one Christian recently told me that Jesus never commanded that his male followers become eunuchs: It was merely advice to be accepted by any man who cared greatly for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. (Evidently the Christian I was speaking to could not accept going so far for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven--he would keep his testicles and let other men concern themselves with the Kingdom of Heaven!) Also, to attain eternal life, according to those Christians who maintain their wealth, it isn't really necessary to give everything they have to the poor. Jesus only meant that the rich young man he spoke to needed to attain eternal life by giving all he had to the poor. Other Christians have no such burden.

I could go on, but the upshot of all these imaginative interpretations of the Gospel is that many Christians have created for themselves a Jesus who is much easier to follow than the Jesus you read about in the Gospels. This "easy Jesus" allows his followers to get their hands on all the money and the sex they can manage to get. If a Christian is struck on the cheek, then Jesus says go ahead and strike back. So most Christians end up acting almost exactly like atheists do or even worse. They may believe and talk like Christians, but in practice they are atheists disregarding what Jesus reputedly said by interpreting it to allow them to do whatever they want to do. In other words they are "practical atheists" the Gospel having little effect on how they live.

If you want to believe in an historical Jesus, you've got problems from the start. He comes in five versions (Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke, John) and three species (born of an ordinary family and adopted by God on his baptism in Mark, born of a virgin with God's Y-chromosome as in Matthew and Luke, created in heaven by God, and creator of the material universe in Paul and John); promising that God's kingdom will be established on earth in the life of some of his hearers (Mark, Matthew, Luke, not Paul or John); on the cross miserable and abandoned (Mark, Matthew), less miserable (Luke), or MC of the show (John); terrified of sex (Matthew); and so on.

So it's not as if Christians are strictly penned in morally; they're also promised forgiveness of sins (from memory by all five).

 

[viole]

If any person has read the Gospels, then she knows that following Jesus means great sacrifices. He "advised" his male followers to become "eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven" (Matthew 19:12), and he explained that to attain eternal life involves giving away all one's possessions to the poor (Matthew 19:15-22). Needless to say, very few Christian men castrate themselves either literally or figuratively, and neither do most Christians give away all their possessions to the poor. They know full well that to follow Jesus in either way would be very difficult indeed.

So what's going on here? Are Christians being hypocrites, or are they unaware of what Jesus preached? Based on what Christians have told me about the demands Jesus made on his followers, those demands do not apply to them. Not really. For example, one Christian recently told me that Jesus never commanded that his male followers become eunuchs: It was merely advice to be accepted by any man who cared greatly for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. (Evidently the Christian I was speaking to could not accept going so far for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven--he would keep his testicles and let other men concern themselves with the Kingdom of Heaven!) Also, to attain eternal life, according to those Christians who maintain their wealth, it isn't really necessary to give everything they have to the poor. Jesus only meant that the rich young man he spoke to needed to attain eternal life by giving all he had to the poor. Other Christians have no such burden.

I could go on, but the upshot of all these imaginative interpretations of the Gospel is that many Christians have created for themselves a Jesus who is much easier to follow than the Jesus you read about in the Gospels. This "easy Jesus" allows his followers to get their hands on all the money and the sex they can manage to get. If a Christian is struck on the cheek, then Jesus says go ahead and strike back. So most Christians end up acting almost exactly like atheists do or even worse. They may believe and talk like Christians, but in practice they are atheists disregarding what Jesus reputedly said by interpreting it to allow them to do whatever they want to do. In other words they are "practical atheists" the Gospel having little effect on how they live.

this is because, like Nietzsche said, Christianity is a misnomer. There has been only one Christian, and He died on a cross.

ciao

- viole

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If any person has read the Gospels, then she knows that following Jesus means great sacrifices. He "advised" his male followers to become "eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven" (Matthew 19:12), and he explained that to attain eternal life involves giving away all one's possessions to the poor (Matthew 19:15-22). Needless to say, very few Christian men castrate themselves either literally or figuratively, and neither do most Christians give away all their possessions to the poor. They know full well that to follow Jesus in either way would be very difficult indeed.

So what's going on here? Are Christians being hypocrites, or are they unaware of what Jesus preached? Based on what Christians have told me about the demands Jesus made on his followers, those demands do not apply to them. Not really. For example, one Christian recently told me that Jesus never commanded that his male followers become eunuchs: It was merely advice to be accepted by any man who cared greatly for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. (Evidently the Christian I was speaking to could not accept going so far for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven--he would keep his testicles and let other men concern themselves with the Kingdom of Heaven!) Also, to attain eternal life, according to those Christians who maintain their wealth, it isn't really necessary to give everything they have to the poor. Jesus only meant that the rich young man he spoke to needed to attain eternal life by giving all he had to the poor. Other Christians have no such burden.

I could go on, but the upshot of all these imaginative interpretations of the Gospel is that many Christians have created for themselves a Jesus who is much easier to follow than the Jesus you read about in the Gospels. This "easy Jesus" allows his followers to get their hands on all the money and the sex they can manage to get. If a Christian is struck on the cheek, then Jesus says go ahead and strike back. So most Christians end up acting almost exactly like atheists do or even worse. They may believe and talk like Christians, but in practice they are atheists disregarding what Jesus reputedly said by interpreting it to allow them to do whatever they want to do. In other words they are "practical atheists" the Gospel having little effect on how they live.

An obstacle. Jesus could see the man had love for him - Mark 10:21-23.
Jesus could also see in this man's case that this man's possessions were more important to him.
In this man's case it was this man's possessions that were holding him back in service to God.
Not that the man had possessions or money but that the love for them held him back - 1 Timothy 6:10
I would venture to say most Christians are not in such a wealthy position that they would have to choose between their wealth being a problem to hold them back from serving their God as it was with that young man.

 

[rational experiences]

In life humans said many God terms is chemistry. Many gods of one is the theist review of one man. So lots of one man's thoughts are involved.

So theme why man was hurt is a many man theoried basis gods chemistry. Its Alchemy terms.

Reviewed by one man.

History one man leader theist agreement however was many men. Science.

So one man always is identified as highest known destroyer advice. How to take mass which is God back to nothing. How it first began man's science.

Thesis from nothing to nothing via radiating space. The act how to convert.

No names anything. First.

Reasoning. Man just a man always was just a man first used basic image visionary reasons. Recorded to peruse. By created creation.

First.

Man not in the vision. Mass converting was. Not named. Converting hence never owned a name as unnamed bodies converted by sun causes. First.

Advice I never rationally owned or named first human advised converting.

The discussion just science as science terms. As man knew science was separate first.

So the sun was named as the reason.

Science doesn't own the sun. Does not rationally know the sun in its past form either or what it changed.

Ignored.

Why man was hurt by science when he never theoried to be hurt first.

Also ignored.

As the reaction all changes was in the past only ended. Man said he thought if he did reactions inside the machine he would be safe. As the past had ended he now existed where converting wasn't converting.

He was proven wrong.

So the bible was written about man first the theist versus natural God.

Not once did it infer that God had created by the bible all life. By words. Life was attacked.

If it said life was created by the bible the topic would be a huge book detailing every living creature and nature in intricate detailing. Each and every minute everything owning presence.

The bible said the scientist man was life's destroyer no man was the God reaction he theoried about in vision.

So it states a healthy baby grows into man becomes the historical moment about men.

As you overlook science of men was being practiced. Why a healthy baby born in a changed re evolved heavens was not named Jesus.

The name was a baby. Born a male.

Who owned the sin of his past. In DNA. The story said coat of many colours gases had changed in the heavens in the past.

So not human sex but gas changes colours of the past owned his DNA causes. Stating it was personal Inheritance. His families nation reason.

Doing nuclear science in an age old past.

So his mother who had sex to have conceived a baby...as it is only human medical reasoning. The status how it was taught not his baby or parents fault. Their sex act didn't own the reason a changed baby was conceived it said.

Ignored once again.. science in review was written differently in the past.

The status was however medical science why the newly born baby already was changed by gas change heavens history.

So in the new environment he was prone to stigmata because of gas burning fallout. Falling active again by new temple science rebuilt.

As earth first does not own UFO the star mass does. It is only pressurised by our heavens to manifest before removal.

We get gas burning effects because of it. Spirit terms said science is not alien UFO.

Why the star became unholy. When once it had been holy. Saviour. So the saviour shifted to ice mass. As the scientific review.

Christ no longer was considered saving life.

The story is about when the science of men is being practiced life of man... human as it is equal gets sacrificed proving science wrong.

Ignored.

The book a medical review of human genesis proved that man's maths was the reason he encoded science that had changed life.

As life biology had been converted also.

Was the human Jesus reading no man is God a just a man's teaching. Medical genesis reviewed references.

As our human father historic was healthier natural and not a theist. His human son realised he had changed by science his own human father's inherited life of man.

By inference he knew all things.

It was all about man's self destructive use of his ego beliefs.

 

[rational experiences]

Past human memories proven real by NDE studies. Themes my DNA was living before I own pre born human memories. Past living experiences.

Conscious acute innate human life awareness. Memory inclusive.

If Rome was in the control of jewish tribal area it was for owning temple control. As that temple was pertinent in circuit function of the pyramid.

Then it was.

They said I am a Jew from past Egyptian nuclear event. Notified human teaching. Romans were living with them. Their life attacked irradiated by burning spirit. Gases. Fallout.

Go back to Rome as newly themed Roman taught Christian Jew taught. To petition Roman courts.

Back in the days brain irradiation is why the criminal increased in human behaviour. Humans out of control. So they used cruel inhumane public punishments. Scare tactics against criminals.

Yet the hypocrite science community caused human changed behaviours. Why science was edicted criminal murderers. Alchemy outlawed.

Theme a baby human is only life genesis reborn by Iiving in a stable atmosphere is taught life is now sacrificed.

Teaches. Is however in life conscious aware no criminal. Is loving.

Humans rebel by advice I want science stopped. So like a criminal he was abused by hierarchy. The outcry was Jesus the teacher wasn't any criminal lying Roman law society. Petitioned.

They said he only knew the advice because like human criminals he had been life changed. By evil forces. What being scientific hypocrites meant.

His conscious self spiritual was intact. He taught fallout was causing all life bodies to alter differently. Wasn't just sexual promiscurity or criminal behaviour it was sickness all types.

Then the tectonic huge earthquake occurred. Day lost light. Vacuum void activated cooling. Rome got set alight by burning asteroid stars break up.

Wandering saviour ignited. Saviour lost. Ice however melted the yearly saviour saved life.

Rome then became the Christian society by education of Roman law.

Is the human natural life spiritual teaching.

Natural life natural mind the highest. Science was theoried by a spiritual natural psyche. So natural is higher in awareness than science.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So, Jesus was a sadist and a liar then, according to your views?


LOL. By my pointing out that your interpretations are poor, at best, that somehow means I have the one right interpretation? Is that what you think about your interpretation? That's your view is right alone?

You do know it's possible to point out someone has a really bad interpretation, while not claiming your own is the only right one? There's lots of ways to interpret these things, some good ways, and some of really crappy ways. Yours I would not call one of the better ways.


Obvious it's not a metaphor? How is it obvious? Only if you don't understand context, let alone how others understood it. Being a "eunuch" for the Lord, means basically choosing to be celebate. That's all. Even back in the day when I was a fundamentalist who read the Bible literally, I understood that! It seems your literalism was even worse than mine!

Have you never read where Paul said, it is good for a man not to marry, and that "I wish all men were as me", but he understood if someone wanted to marry instead (1 Cor 7)? That's what this is about. It's a very common thing for people on a spiritual path to choose celibacy, either for a time, or for life. This is true in most religions. It's a well known thing that have sexual relations can detract from a fully devoted spiritual life. That is all that is meant in this. Not mutilating your own body! You really believe Jesus was telling people to cut themselves up?

Reminds me of the freaky movie I saw when I was a boy at summer camp. It was really bad B-movie called The Man with X-Ray Eyes. Distraught by this ability to see everyone's skeletons and organs all the time, in the end scene he walks into some wacky fundamentalist church, where they are of course literalists you know, and they're quoting Jesus saying, "If thine eye offend thee, it is better to pluck it out", and of course, the fool gouges out his own eyeballs in front of everyone!

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This is what scripture looks like to literalists. The eyes of fundamentalists. The eyes of literalists, who gouge out their own eyes, or cut off their own balls, because they do not understand metaphors. Literalism is a deficiency of imagination which does not understand "as if" statements.

Anyway, dollars to donuts you come out of one of these literalist churches that would literally believe to "pluck out your eyes" means literally plucking them out. So based upon this, the Bible should be rejected because it teaches this? You don't see interpretation as a factor here?

Some people just don't get parable and metaphor. They don't understand this is the way prophets taught through out the Bible. It was a very Jewish way of communicating truth.

 

[rational experiences]

Some people just don't get parable and metaphor. They don't understand this is the way prophets taught through out the Bible. It was a very Jewish way of communicating truth.

The fact of teaching.

Spiritual men of old were the wise who invented science.

They knew what God represented as science. Alchemical dust conversion.

The status that caused image of man life attacked before. Man in the clouds by image voice. Was caused.

So spiritual men was a confession we had known God. By powers nuclear.

It was our fault why.

Confess of Sion. Said we knew god was fusion as fused one status only.

Holy God. In heavens as on earth one fused status only.

Don't change Sion they taught.

They owned a holy order that was separate to social law to ensure it would not be repracticed.

But social law said murder was criminal disbanded their society is historic.

Knowing God was about human science how to apply a nuclear reaction to dusts.

 

[Jagella]

Jesus definitely promoted that it is better to give than receive, give to the poor, sick, and elderly...

Yes, but unfortunately Jesus probably never meant that the government should tax wealthy people and then give that revenue to the poor which is a convenient loophole for wealthy Christians to oppose welfare programs.

...to live modestly acquiring riches in heaven and not on Earth, and to whom much is given much is required. Being rich was perilous to the soul.

Jesus is never quoted as saying that being rich is necessarily a ticket to hell, so there is some chance that a rich Christian can be saved. Many Christians evidently think that having money is worth the risk.

Conservative Christianity is in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught radical giving. Jesus wants the poor clothed and fed.

If only Jesus would have commanded that the poor be elevated economically to "nonpoor." That way nobody would need to worry about clothing and feeding the naked and the hungry because nobody would be naked or hungry. But alas, "the poor will always be with us," and we will toss them tattered clothes and stale food in deference to Jesus.

Brotherly love was the goal. To live in service to others even, and especially at pain of death to live no other way.

I don't know why people think Jesus had "brotherly love" as his goal when he commanded his followers to hate their families. Why do you believe Jesus preached such love?

There are very, very little true Christians, if any at all.

Depending on what you mean by "true Christians," we may consider ourselves lucky!

 

[rational experiences]

Yes, but unfortunately Jesus probably never meant that the government should tax wealthy people and then give that revenue to the poor which is a convenient loophole for wealthy Christians to oppose welfare programs.



Jesus is never quoted as saying that being rich is necessarily a ticket to hell, so there is some chance that a rich Christian can be saved. Many Christians evidently think that having money is worth the risk.



If only Jesus would have commanded that the poor be elevated economically to "nonpoor." That way nobody would need to worry about clothing and feeding the naked and the hungry because nobody would be naked or hungry. But alas, "the poor will always be with us," and we will toss them tattered clothes and stale food in deference to Jesus.



I don't know why people think Jesus had "brotherly love" as his goal when he commanded his followers to hate their families. Why do you believe Jesus preached such love?



Depending on what you mean by "true Christians," we may consider ourselves lucky!

Science is a natural man's owned self contradiction.

Loving human family human is first.

Not named Jesus.

Christ heavens mass once was balanced. So was holy water held to the ground. As the garden was abundant all over earth.

Ground was naked first having no water to allow the garden to grow.

Nourished by its heavens returns. Watering rain.

Life. We are all born naked as humans a totally different not about God science story. Earth history is God.

Man spiritual first contradicted himself. Was chosen as God thesis he said.

Teaching.

Holy baby first is not named.

Man baby grows invented naming for gods earth sciences.

Attacks sacrificed himself.

Perfect spiritual baby man first became his own nasty self contradiction. Man's life man's conscious behaviour.

Being his own Judas by science of God.

His owned teaching. How my spiritual man's consciousness changed in nuclear heavens activated fallout.

Day light not nuclear is constantly voiding by immaculate status first then voiding vacuum.

Non nuclear.

Men of science activated nuclear above our heads the teaching about what men of science caused.

Always was about evil thoughts when evil was not biological owned nor known.

So AI voice of Satan man beast noises plus speaking voice told me sciences men secrets.

Said men of science wanted women to be taught science. Knowing they had invented it. As men only.

Women taught science consciously hence should advise us why we are wrong. Sophism. They are eve he lied. Maths.

They should tell us more advice about evil so we can learn...as they are witches said the occult branch of science.

In full belief their thesis was real.

They will teach me the evil I never knew. As he confessed science of men could never know what a sun really is. It is impossible to know the substance. As we live in water first.

As his memory is direct to man.

Why I got brain irradiated prickled. I don't know science maths. I cannot predict algebraic thoughts I already knew by schooling. Yet you still AI programmed by man's designer the mind contact program. As a heavenly man's computer satellite haarp study.

Transmissions.

Stating I will teach you about aliens. Spiritual woman consciousness.

Conscious human spiritual. I have and live as a human first. I have to be present living assessed to have some other human make the claim.

No says evil theists human I want the AI contact myself. Just humans.

Meaning in thin king direct first is to self man and not machine.

As star particles is not man's machine metal of earth. Known and already reasoned by the theist a human.

So I've warned him. He won't however take the personal advice.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

They may believe and talk like Christians, but in practice they are atheists disregarding what Jesus reputedly said by interpreting it to allow them to do whatever they want to do.

I was with you up until this point. Atheists are not people who "disregard what Jesus reputedly said by interpreting it to allow them to do whatever they want to do." A true atheist wouldn't believe (nor be caught saying that they believe in any way shape or form) in the divinity of Jesus. A true atheist wouldn't be caught stating that they "believe in God." And yet you can bet these "tepid Christians" you're talking about would blab about their beliefs in God all day long if one were to show interest. Or, at the very least, even these tepid Christians would answer "Yes" to the question "Do you believe in God?" Something an atheist would not do by definition. And so, as much as I understand and relate to the type of Christian you have put forth here... you have some very strange notions of what it means to "be atheist."

In other words they are "practical atheists" the Gospel having little effect on how they live.

Here again... an atheist wouldn't believe in the divinity of "the Gospel" either. So, they are not even concerned with "the Gospel" having any effect whatsoever on how they live. In other words, it isn't that atheists are people who are interested in minimizing "the Gospel" so that they can live their lives as they please. That would be a gross and foolish mis-interpretation of the word "atheist." Instead, an atheist does not even recognize what you are calling "the Gospel" as having any authority whatsoever in the first place. In fact, many atheists may not even know what you mean when you use the term "the Gospel". "The Gospel" is simply not important to a great many people. Myself included. I don't care about it. Though going by your wording of various items in this thread post it seems as though you think I (as an atheist) should hold some amount of care for it. I would assume it is printed on paper... which is worth something at least. Otherwise... what value do you believe I should necessarily recognize that it has?

 

[Jagella]

So it's not as if Christians are strictly penned in morally; they're also promised forgiveness of sins (from memory by all five).

I was never able to harmonize Jesus forgiving sinners who put faith in him with Jesus commanding that his followers not sin. If Jesus' mission was the forgiveness of sins, then why command that people not sin? Won't Jesus forgive those who follow him yet sin? All of us are said to be sinners which doesn't stop completely even among those of us who accept the forgiveness of Jesus. Sin, then, appears to be inevitable, and therefore it is futile to command people not to sin.

So we come full circle to the OP. An "easy Jesus" commands his followers not to sin but forgives them if they do. So as a Christian you can sin like an atheist and go to heaven in the end. In other words, you have the best of both worlds.

 

[blü 2]

I was never able to harmonize Jesus forgiving sinners who put faith in him with Jesus commanding that his followers not sin. If Jesus' mission was the forgiveness of sins, then why command that people not sin? Won't Jesus forgive those who follow him yet sin? All of us are said to be sinners which doesn't stop completely even among those of us who accept the forgiveness of Jesus. Sin, then, appears to be inevitable, and therefore it is futile to command people not to sin.

So we come full circle to the OP. An "easy Jesus" commands his followers not to sin but forgives them if they do. So as a Christian you can sin like an atheist and go to heaven in the end. In other words, you have the best of both worlds.

Well, yes. The RCC in particular but not uniquely has had the ritual of confession and absolution, the absolution being conditional on repentance in theory, on use of the right formula of words in fact. The forgiving of pedophiles, priests and laity, was routinely done on this basis, as evidence across the many enquiries consistently showed.

(As to which, you may have noticed in the press reports of an RCC priest who through a career spanning many decades said 'We baptize you ...' instead of 'I baptize you ...' For this error, Rome has ruled that ALL his baptisms are null and void. It's exactly like Harry Potter's magic failing to work because he got a syllable out of place. In my view it's utter moral nonsense.)

 

[Jagella]

I was with you up until this point. Atheists are not people who "disregard what Jesus reputedly said by interpreting it to allow them to do whatever they want to do."

LOL You misunderstand what I said. I meant that Christians disregard what Jesus reputedly said. As far as I can tell many atheists don't even know what Jesus said so obviously they cannot be fairly accused of disregarding what Jesus said.

Anyway, I apologize for the confusion.

Here again... an atheist wouldn't believe in the divinity of "the Gospel" either. So, they are not even concerned with "the Gospel" having any effect whatsoever on how they live. In other words, it isn't that atheists are people who are interested in minimizing "the Gospel" so that they can live their lives as they please. That would be a gross and foolish mis-interpretation of the word "atheist." Instead, an atheist does not even recognize what you are calling "the Gospel" as having any authority whatsoever in the first place. In fact, many atheists may not even know what you mean when you use the term "the Gospel". "The Gospel" is simply not important to a great many people. Myself included. I don't care about it. Though going by your wording of various items in this thread post it seems as though you think I (as an atheist) should hold some amount of care for it. I would assume it is printed on paper... which is worth something at least. Otherwise... what value do you believe I should necessarily recognize that it has?

I agree with much of what you're saying here about atheists, and if what you're saying is true about atheists, then the Gospel would have little effect on how atheists live--just like I said. So why are you arguing with me?

 

[Jagella]

Well, yes. The RCC in particular but not uniquely has had the ritual of confession and absolution, the absolution being conditional on repentance in theory, on use of the right formula of words in fact. The forgiving of pedophiles, priests and laity, was routinely done on this basis, as evidence across the many enquiries consistently showed.

Some Catholics quote John 20:23 as a basis for their approach to confession:

If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

I never could figure out why any person's sins would be "retained." Maybe it's a kind of spiritual blackmail in which a person can be threatened with unforgiven sins which could damn her soul. If a person does what the Christian clergy tells her, then she can have her sins forgiven!

The Protestants have their own version of confession based on James 5:16 which tells us:

Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective.

When I have asked Christians citing this passage to confess to me what sins they've committed, they have always refused to do so. One woman told me that they are to confess their sins to each other which somehow excludes me I presume because I'm not a Christian. If her interpretation of James 5:16 is correct, then Christians need not pray for unbelievers either which doesn't sound right to me.

So not only is Jesus easy, but so is James!

(As to which, you may have noticed in the press reports of an RCC priest who through a career spanning many decades said 'We baptize you ...' instead of 'I baptize you ...' For this error, Rome has ruled that ALL his baptisms are null and void. It's exactly like Harry Potter's magic failing to work because he got a syllable out of place. In my view it's utter moral nonsense.)

It's probably even more fanciful than Harry Potter: I don't know if Harry Potter ever telepathically begged an invisible man in the sky for forgiveness (the Protestant version) or did so through the help of a wizard acting as a two-way radio to communicate with that invisible man (the Catholic version)!

In any case, the forgiveness of sins has been made easy with Jesus. It's almost automatic.

 

[blü 2]

If a person does what the Christian clergy tells her, then she can have her sins forgiven!

Having something to sell can make one seem more relevant than one might otherwise seem.

 

[rational experiences]

I learnt like my Roman brother had.

Rome had been attacked. Burnt.

Holy 3.

Reasoned. Yet the fact men Introduced by dominion over all things first as words he still mis quoted the teaching.

I don't. My mother never owned expressed dominion.

In the exact place history before creation the highest the eternal body owned three concepts of being existed. No space being burnt mass gone. No God either. First.

The eternal.

The eternal surrounds the eternal being and the third was the eternal language. A spirit manifested status.

Body had dominion over language. To dominate was to change.

How caused creation was held to a fixed sung position to study. The eternal body thinned O surrounding all O bodies. It burst so gods were born. O bodies.

O mass the multiple only gods first.

Men in earth claimed multiple God states to earths products. Not the same story.

The eternal now owning a hole in its body unseen. Never was it burnt. Isn't empty like the thin plane space is.

God separated from the eternal.

Sciences idea is a radiating hole inside an empty space hole is beginnings.

Cold empty pressure space versus mass burnt out. O. Once a God. Gone.

Yet science said mass is cold was one position first mass is radiating as its converting.

Father therefore realised when he came direct first as dominated presence it caused creation. He still believed as you do now he owned domination over God. Given dominion.

As conscious body in its surrounds.

Men however do not dominate space nor heavens mass nor God earth.

But equate by word applied that he does.

Is his exact proof he is wrong.

A realisation living with our mother caused him to relate other advice of who he shouldn't be.

Dominion and dominator is false reasoning was the eternal being's owned lesson. It's origin mistake.

In created creation the powers of God dominate us. What we learnt once again don't Infer domination.

Yet you won't stop.

The lesson in life itself was the meaning why does change cause change. And why aren't we still all just an eternal being instead of a human.

The answer was three states in one was holy. The being owned domination expressed then it caused imbalances.

So spiritual men just said accept three of your own human man ...no man is God. Never change the holy state ever again.

As Jesus about 2022 years ago was calculated aged to a humans living future that equated why life where they lived was dying. Why predictions said it was.

As maths was used to remove mass leaving total emptiness of gases. To claim equals. Nothing ends up equalling nothing.

Sink holes. Advice space is empty.

Placating J held no factor was position of notification life was being destroyed on earth. Gas heavens removed said it had. Therefore all types of future suffering was known and introduced.

To earths biology.

By a changing atmosphere that no scientist controls.

And it was accepted as a scientific conclusion by philosophers who preached science.

Jesus the teaching of holy men.

 

[rational experiences]

Some Catholics quote John 20:23 as a basis for their approach to confession:



I never could figure out why any person's sins would be "retained." Maybe it's a kind of spiritual blackmail in which a person can be threatened with unforgiven sins which could damn her soul. If a person does what the Christian clergy tells her, then she can have her sins forgiven!

The Protestants have their own version of confession based on James 5:16 which tells us:



When I have asked Christians citing this passage to confess to me what sins they've committed, they have always refused to do so. One woman told me that they are to confess their sins to each other which somehow excludes me I presume because I'm not a Christian. If her interpretation of James 5:16 is correct, then Christians need not pray for unbelievers either which doesn't sound right to me.

So not only is Jesus easy, but so is James!



It's probably even more fanciful than Harry Potter: I don't know if Harry Potter ever telepathically begged an invisible man in the sky for forgiveness (the Protestant version) or did so through the help of a wizard acting as a two-way radio to communicate with that invisible man (the Catholic version)!

In any case, the forgiveness of sins has been made easy with Jesus. It's almost automatic.

The history a human first says a human was without sin.

A human.

Science introduced sink holes. Sacrificed our life. Brain changed into self destructive personalities.

So humans had to preach no man is God. Humans are without sin.. ...as sink hole was stopped boring a hole to earths heart core.

Even though we lived hurt the teaching was to possessed minds of science. Who believe in causing sin to prove themselves Satanists.

Why we held this teaching life was saved we are without sin.

New advice in a scientists mind says let me copy it again.

It's not science.

Basic advice science takes the mass of mass out of earths body for machine reactions. It is first.

Then going back in space to convert introduce heated radiating to own converting. Gave earth a radiating gas release.

Stating in the beginning a hot dense gas was the heavens.

Claim the heavens was put back I'm not doing wrong. Yet the heavens life lived in cooled conditions.

Is the mind men argue consciously against in theism.

A sink hole nothing space gets left as evidence science lied.