An example of why I am against prostitution

[Alceste]

I meant hiring a sex worker, not being one. I'm not interested in street walkers.

Although, being a sex worker is a fun fantasy, I would not be in demand except to tranny chasers.

Honey, there's a demand for everything. (Which reminds me, I have another friend who does sex work, and he's FTM )

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Honey, there's a demand for everything. (Which reminds me, I have another friend who does sex work, and he's FTM )

Oh, men would hire me, for sure. But not women. When women hire male escorts, they're typically going for a fantasy type - tall, toned, well-endowed, etc. I'm short, overweight and have no penis. So I'm not very high on the attractiveness scale. That's why I think about hiring a (female) sex worker.

 

[Alceste]

Oh, men would hire me, for sure. But not women. When women hire male escorts, they're typically going for a fantasy type - tall, toned, well-endowed, etc. I'm short, overweight and have no penis. So I'm not very high on the attractiveness scale. That's why I think about hiring a (female) sex worker.

Fair enough.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Fair enough.

Mmhmm. So it's pointless and I'll just be alone. I wouldn't pay to have sex with myself, either (if I were someone else).

 

[Sunstone]

Mmhmm. So it's pointless and I'll just be alone. I wouldn't pay to have sex with myself, either (if I were someone else).

Being alone does not seem necessary to me. You're a decent person. I'd guess if you put yourself out there and met enough people, you'd find one you liked who liked you.

Of course, then you'd probably ruin it all by developing a monogamous relationship. Monogamy is the plague and destruction of our species.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread with my self-hatred. I'll shut up now.

 

[Alceste]

Mmhmm. So it's pointless and I'll just be alone. I wouldn't pay to have sex with myself, either (if I were someone else).

You need to try to divorce the concept of "not getting sex" from the concept of "being alone". The more you're out and about, doing things with other human beings - particularly those who share your interests - the more sex you're going to get. But even if the sex takes a while to manifest, you're still having a great time doing things you love with other people, so you're not alone.

Relationships are WAY over-rated. Plus, I don't think anyone is ready for one until they've learned to be happy being single and doing their own thing. If I were in your shoes, I'd skip all the dysfunctional, codependent, messy relationship stuff and go straight to being sick of it and deciding to do something more interesting with my libidinal energy.

That's what I would do if I had a do-over. But it's only natural that you won't listen, being young and horny.

 

[Alceste]

Being alone does not seem necessary to me. You're a decent person. I'd guess if you put yourself out there and met enough people, you'd find one you liked who liked you.

Of course, then you'd probably ruin it all by developing a monogamous relationship. Monogamy is the plague and destruction of our species.

Amen, brother.

 

[Sunstone]

You need to try to divorce the concept of "not getting sex" from the concept of "being alone". The more you're out and about, doing things with other human beings - particularly those who share your interests - the more sex you're going to get. But even if the sex takes a while to manifest, you're still having a great time doing things you love with other people, so you're not alone.

Relationships are WAY over-rated. Plus, I don't think anyone is ready for one until they've learned to be happy being single and doing their own thing. If I were in your shoes, I'd skip all the dysfunctional, codependent, messy relationship stuff and go straight to being sick of it and deciding to do something more interesting with my libidinal energy.

That's what I would do if I had a do-over. But it's only natural that you won't listen, being young and horny.

Excellent advice! Also, you're quite right. No one is going to take it. C'est la vie.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Being alone does not seem necessary to me. You're a decent person. I'd guess if you put yourself out there and met enough people, you'd find one you liked who liked you.

Of course, then you'd probably ruin it all by developing a monogamous relationship. Monogamy is the plague and destruction of our species.

You need to try to divorce the concept of "not getting sex" from the concept of "being alone". The more you're out and about, doing things with other human beings - particularly those who share your interests - the more sex you're going to get. But even if the sex takes a while to manifest, you're still having a great time doing things you love with other people, so you're not alone.

Relationships are WAY over-rated. Plus, I don't think anyone is ready for one until they've learned to be happy being single and doing their own thing. If I were in your shoes, I'd skip all the dysfunctional, codependent, messy relationship stuff and go straight to being sick of it and deciding to do something more interesting with my libidinal energy.

That's what I would do if I had a do-over. But it's only natural that you won't listen, being young and horny.

I'm a severely depressed recluse that hates himself. So "getting out and meeting people" isn't going to happen. I've tried to make friends and always end up getting ****** over. I give up on people. I'm tired of trying. People always mistreat me, as if I'm worthless. So maybe I am. It hurts too much, so why bother. Humans are a waste of time.

 

[Alceste]

I'm a severely depressed recluse that hates himself. So "getting out and meeting people" isn't going to happen. I've tried to make friends and always end up getting ****** over. I give up on people. I'm tired of trying. People always mistreat me, as if I'm worthless. So maybe I am. It hurts too much, so why bother. Humans are a waste of time.

You need a therapist, not a prostitute.

Here, I'm gonna give you some homework that will change your life. Get a journal or scrapbook. Every morning, write down three pages, stream of consciousness. Don't edit yourself or try to make it clever or readable. Just dump. Don't even read it back to yourself until you've been doing it for at least a month.

If you can't afford a prostitute, I'm sure you can't afford a therapist. But if you do this regularly you will soon become your own therapist. You will eventually be able to objectively consider your thought patterns even while they are occurring, and feel confident they are not rational. And that and they will pass. Then you can go outside and hang out with fun people and get laid! Woot woot!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have a therapist and am on medication. I've been in therapy off and on since my teens. I have been depressed for almost my whole life and was in the ER for wanting to kill myself a few years ago. I know it's not rational, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't go away.

I shouldn't have brought this up at all. It was stupid of me. A moderator can feel free to delete my posts because they're off-topic and I feel like an idiot.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have a therapist and am on medication. I've been in therapy off and on since my teens. I have been depressed for almost my whole life and was in the ER for wanting to kill myself a few years ago. I know it's not rational, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't go away.

I shouldn't have brought this up at all. It was stupid of me. A moderator can feel free to delete my posts because they're off-topic and I feel like an idiot.

For what it's worth, I find you one of the most interesting posters here.
Post what you want, & don't worry about reactions.

OK....you can worry about mine.
But I'm easy.

 

[Alceste]

I have a therapist and am on medication. I've been in therapy off and on since my teens. I have been depressed for almost my whole life and was in the ER for wanting to kill myself a few years ago. I know it's not rational, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't go away.

I shouldn't have brought this up at all. It was stupid of me. A moderator can feel free to delete my posts because they're off-topic and I feel like an idiot.

No worries. You can delete your own posts, you know. I do it all the time when I say something I later regret. Go to edit, then delete post. But you're not alone here either so there's nothing to be embarrassed about. Lots of us are a psychological mess. I know I am!

 

[Darkness]

Then perhaps you should have studied psychology instead of political philosophy.

And this is why I love you Alceste. In all fairness, my philosophy studies have lead me to read quite a lot of Sigmund Freud. I am actually very interested in psychology from a philosophical perspective.

I've considered getting a sex worker because I'm frustrated and tired of being alone. But I have no money, so that's out. Some guys turn to sex workers to lose their virginity to a professional or just to have a sense of intimacy and not only sexual intimacy. There's some guys who just want to talk, be held, etc. Sure, there's creeps who hire sex workers. Of course. There's creeps in general, male and female. There's messed up women who will screw you over, too. So lets not act like women are always the victim and males are necessarily sadistic brutes.

"Assume man to be man and his relationship to the world to be a human one: then you can exchange love only for love, trust for trust, etc. If you want to enjoy art, you must be an artistically cultivated person; if you want to exercise influence over other people, you must be a person with a stimulating and encouraging effect on other people. Every one of your relations to man and to nature must be a specific expression, corresponding to the object of your will, of your real individual life. If you love without evoking love in return – that is, if your loving as loving does not produce reciprocal love; if through a living expression of yourself as a loving person you do not make yourself a beloved one, then your love is impotent – a misfortune." —*Karl Marx, Paris Manuscripts

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"Assume man to be man and his relationship to the world to be a human one: then you can exchange love only for love, trust for trust, etc. If you want to enjoy art, you must be an artistically cultivated person; if you want to exercise influence over other people, you must be a person with a stimulating and encouraging effect on other people. Every one of your relations to man and to nature must be a specific expression, corresponding to the object of your will, of your real individual life. If you love without evoking love in return – that is, if your loving as loving does not produce reciprocal love; if through a living expression of yourself as a loving person you do not make yourself a beloved one, then your love is impotent – a misfortune." —*Karl Marx, Paris Manuscripts

That quote does nothing for me at all.

 

[Sunstone]

I think the government should take over prostitution. Make it a local or state government monopoly with Federal requirements and standards. Run it out of government built bordellos with, perhaps, outcall services. Customers would be licensed. If they mistreated the prostitutes, their licenses would be revoked. The revenues could be dedicated to go entirely towards public education. The prostitutes would receive high wages plus full benefits, retirement packages, weekly STD tests, and so forth. Promotion to professional politician would be an option, if they wished to continue in their career as prostitutes.

 

[Alceste]

I think the government should take over prostitution.

You mean they haven't already?

 

[Alceste]

And this is why I love you Alceste. In all fairness, my philosophy studies have lead me to read quite a lot of Sigmund Freud. I am actually very interested in psychology from a philosophical perspective.

Aw, shucks. Freud was an amateur. (Penis envy! Lol!) There's been so much progress since then. His clientele of repressed, upper middle class German housewives in an even more patriarchal social paradigm did not give him much of an opportunity to explore the psychology of modern prostitutes and their customers.

 

[Darkness]

Aw, shucks. Freud was an amateur. (Penis envy! Lol!) There's been so much progress since then. His clientele of repressed, upper middle class German housewives in an even more patriarchal social paradigm did not give him much of an opportunity to explore the psychology of modern prostitutes and their customers.

Freudian psychoanalysis has expanded and adapted to new dynamisms. While there has been much progress since the 1930s, I think that any real thinking has been absent from mainstream psychology. Modern psychology seems to be stuck in the world of appearances and has a dearth of deep and meaningful theories. This comes as no surprise, since the shallow cognitive-behavioral therapy dominates everything. While Freud was wrong in a decent number of specifics, I do believe his general framework of psychoanalysis has stood the test of time.

P.S. I think most of Freud's patients were males, but I could be wrong on that point. I know he saw a good number of both sexes.