An Honest and Intelligent Creationist

[ragordon168]

BTW the title of the first chapter in The Blind Watchmaer is "Explaining the Improbable". Meaning the ToE is improbable and has to be explained. The world looks created, not evolved.

no life in all the multiple forms seen today - order from chaos - is the improbable.

evolution is the mechanism for explaining it

 

[Alceste]

MF, what designed these?

 

[nonbeliever_92]

MF, what designed these?

No offense, but this sorta looks like giant buried statues of saluting Nazis.

 

[darkendless]

For those who regard the title as an oxymoron I submit as exhibit one a fellow named Todd Wood.

Dr. Todd Wood, Ph D has all the creationist credentials and associations. And he professes a faith in a young earth and 6 day creation.

BUT

He also is honest enough and has the moral courage to admit ToE has "gobs" of evidence to support it.

Browse his blogs. They are short.

Here is a creationist I can respect.:bow: Unlike some here who have been vocal in their criticisms of ToE.

He's still an idiot for ignoring the comparable Gobs of evidence presented by geology a 10 year old would understand.

 

[Archer]

He's still an idiot for ignoring the comparable Gobs of evidence presented by geology a 10 year old would understand.

To read text and look at pictures is not understanding. Touching, feeling, smelling and gaining first hand knowledge is.

I understand that I am here. I understand that I have seen many things that I do not comprehend. There are no real answers to hard questions as the answers to hard questions lead to more questions. Where is the understanding?

 

[darkendless]

To read text and look at pictures is not understanding. Touching, feeling, smelling and gaining first hand knowledge is.

I understand that I am here. I understand that I have seen many things that I do not comprehend. There are no real answers to hard questions as the answers to hard questions lead to more questions. Where is the understanding?

Understanding geology:

- grasping the concepts behind the sedimentation of soil layers
- grasping the concepts of the rock cycle
etc etc.....

Thats understanding geology.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

He's still an idiot for ignoring the comparable Gobs of evidence presented by geology a 10 year old would understand.

I don't think it fair to say he ignores it. He clearly knows the facts and their implications. But he choses as a matter of faith to believe his favorite myth.

We may regard that decision as foolish - or worse. But he is honest enough to admit it is faith NOT evidence he is relying on. I can respect his honesty while disagreeing profoundly with his choice.

Contrast his position with that of others who post here. Do you not see Wood's as the more honorable?:yes:

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Well, I don't buy the scientists arguments of common descent of all animals so they have more work to do. I have the righteous perspective of a world that appears created.

Do you think the world is perfect?

I mean you look at the world and you say perfect. Thus you are limiting the thought that there is room for improvement.

How do you know this world could not be much better. How do you know that there isn't worlds out there that are much better.

 

[darkendless]

I don't think it fair to say he ignores it. He clearly knows the facts and their implications. But he choses as a matter of faith to believe his favorite myth.

We may regard that decision as foolish - or worse. But he is honest enough to admit it is faith NOT evidence he is relying on. I can respect his honesty while disagreeing profoundly with his choice.

Contrast his position with that of others who post here. Do you not see Wood's as the more honorable?:yes:

Well you can accept evidence but having faith in something else is ignoring evidence isn't it?

At least he doesn't conceptualise absolute crap to try and disprove a well established theory like other people here, so its a start i guess.

 

[Archer]

Understanding geology:

- grasping the concepts behind the sedimentation of soil layers
- grasping the concepts of the rock cycle
etc etc.....

Thats understanding geology.

Actually that is only beginning to grasp it. Layers differ from region even location to location.

Geological structures? What about it? Some things (not many) are even disputed in the community.

I do understand what you are saying but grasping a concept is not understanding. To begin to understand you must be able to scrutinize what is there and formulate the next question. Most children just accept and move on. It is only after years of experience that one can truly formulate the questions that lead to more questions.

The basics can be understood by by most children but only because you say that it is one way or another not because they rationalize and scrutinize the information.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well you can accept evidence but having faith in something else is ignoring evidence isn't it?

No, it's choosing something else.

 

[rojse]

BTW the title of the first chapter in The Blind Watchmaer is "Explaining the Improbable". Meaning the ToE is improbable and has to be explained. The world looks created, not evolved.

I love how Man of Faith refutes Dawkins by reading chapter titles and arguing against them.

Wait a minute, I don't love that...

 

[Man of Faith]

no life in all the multiple forms seen today - order from chaos - is the improbable.

evolution is the mechanism for explaining it

Evolution is not a mechanism it is a model.

 

[Man of Faith]

You don't "buy it" because you have a predisposition not to "buy it." While scientists look at the evidence without that predisposition. They just look at the evidence and draw conclusions from the evidence that they've gathered. The earth may have been created, I don't know and neither do you, but that has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. There are great scientists who are religious and accept the fact of evolution, even the last pope accepted the theory of evolution. So, creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive.

Please show me a peer-reviewed scientific experiment where the conclusion is common ancestry of all life forms, there are none. People that have a predisposition to believe in evoluiton take the conclusion of experiments and say that it is evidence of evoluiton.

 

[Man of Faith]

MF, what designed these?

I don't have enough information to make that call. From the narrow picture given it looks like rocks placed in the ground by an intelligent being. However I would need to see the surrounding area to see if they could be natrual weathered rock formations. However if we look at living things with the perspective we have of our earth, we see that they looked designed for a purpose.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

For those who regard the title as an oxymoron I submit as exhibit one a fellow named Todd Wood.

This indeed is a strange person.
On the one hand one must acknowledge his views on science. He is not the stupid stubborn creationist that normally runs around here.

On the other hand he perhaps is more to be pitied for he actually made nearly all the right steps and stops ignoring them all despite acknowledging them.

 

[Gunfingers]

I don't have enough information to make that call. From the narrow picture given it looks like rocks placed in the ground by an intelligent being. However I would need to see the surrounding area to see if they could be natrual weathered rock formations. However if we look at living things with the perspective we have of our earth, we see that they looked designed for a purpose.

Looking at them, they actually do rather look like rocks, don't they. Check the image name, though. They're termite mounds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termite#Mounds

What's cool is that these mines are incredibly complex. Termite and ant colonies will make giant underground mazes, with individual rooms that are specifically ventilated to create proper airflow and sunlight availability. Different rooms will actually have different temperatures and humidity levels, because in some rooms they store food, in some they store eggs and pupae, and in some they actually cultivate fungus. Gives new meaning to the term "ant farm".

Interestingly, they make these complex systems without design. The queen doesn't give the workers a blue print. It's just an instinct honed over millions of years.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

. . . . However if we look at living things with the perspective we have of our earth, we see that they looked designed for a purpose.

Of course they are!:shout In the sense that they "work."

But that design is not the result of a twitch of the divine nose. It comes about from a daily life and death struggle. The most arduous and demanding test a "design" can be subjected to. And that test is repeated every hour of every day for millions of years. Design features that work prosper. Those that don't vanish.

The "design" we see around is not surprising at all. It is inevitable.

 

[ragordon168]

...Interestingly, they make these complex systems without design. The queen doesn't give the workers a blue print. It's just an instinct honed over millions of years.

of course god created them with the knowledge already built in so that they could do this thing without needing to learn.

hmm if that works could god maybe stick enough knowledge in my head to pass all my exams? )p

 

[Gunfingers]

He can also teach you kung fu, how to pilot a helicopter, and Gallente Starship Engineering III by downloading the info straight into your brain.

That last one was an EVE-Online joke, for those not familiar.