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An honest question for believers

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Many believers say that scientific discoveries, far from making them lose faith, have only strengthened their faith. I fail to understand how this can be so. Would believers explain this with examples from their own lives? That may help me see where they are coming from.

It's simple. I separate science from religion. I enjoy both but they have two separate purposes. Science is trying to learn about the earth, outer space, humankind-- how it works, how it began, how it's made, etc. Even we of faith are excited to see those kinds of things and learn those kinds of things. It shows how awesome the earth really is and what kind of life it supports, and things of that nature.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
Many believers say that scientific discoveries, far from making them lose faith, have only strengthened their faith. I fail to understand how this can be so. Would believers explain this with examples from their own lives? That may help me see where they are coming from.

Hi, Music. I'm surely not a 'believer' by any common defintion, but I do have an opinion about this.

I assume you're talking about People of The Book -- meaning folks who study some kind of sacred words and try to figure out the Meaning of Life from those words. In that situation, a person can simply reinterpret the words of his sacred book as new information becomes available from science. The conflict between old understandings and new information becomes more and more bothersome until the believer finally has an AHA moment, in which he sees that the new information fits very well, even better, than the old interpretation.

Many Christians have embraced evolution, for example. Their grandparents might be outraged to hear that they've done so, but minds gradually change. There'll still be Christians and Muslims a thousand years from now, but I think their understanding of their scriptures will be unrecognizable to today's Christians and Muslims.

That's my take on it anyway.
 

al-amiyr

Active Member
Many believers say that scientific discoveries, far from making them lose faith, have only strengthened their faith. I fail to understand how this can be so. Would believers explain this with examples from their own lives? That may help me see where they are coming from.
The Qur’aan Cosmological Model is based upon two verses of The Qur’aan. The Qur’aan is composed of about 6300 verses. These two Qur’aanic verses contain within themselves the plan or cosmological structure and design of the entire universe from before T = 0 (Time was equal to zero) until again when T = 0 (Time will again be Zero) and after.
The two Qur’aanic cosmological verses state as follows;
Qur’aan Chapter 021:030
-that the entire universe i.e. the sun, moon, stars and all other extra-terrestrial phenomena as well as the earth became ‘a singular mass’ in higher dimensional time reversed.
-that ‘the singular mass’ underwent a splitting apart as observed at present time.
Qur’aan Chapter 021:104
-that the universe would continue in its splitting apart phase until it had reached a maximum splitting apart or maximum expansion.
-that the universe would one day again contract and become ‘a singular mass’.
-that ‘the singular mass’ would again undergo a splitting apart to form another universe.
The implications of the analyses of the data derived from the above two Qur’aanic cosmological verses are earthshaking.

That is just a brief overall description of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model that takes us further into hundreds of mathematical delineations describing every phase of the universe. The book is on its way to the world. And nothing came like it before.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Many believers say that scientific discoveries, far from making them lose faith, have only strengthened their faith. I fail to understand how this can be so. Would believers explain this with examples from their own lives? That may help me see where they are coming from.
My religion is based on reverence for nature and my ancestors.
How can learning more about either do anything but strengthen my faith. :shrug:

wa:do
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
Haha, it's funny you comment about the pluralization, MoonWater, because the main reason I didn't pluralize "god" back there was because it felt grammatically awkward to refer to a singular noun (the universe/reality) in the plural when speaking of its divinity. >_> I definitely work with the divine in a polytheistic fashion, but I wouldn't peg myself as either a monotheist or polytheist. It is like asking of the universe is a single thing or composed of many things. It is both and neither. Depends on how you want to relate to it. I can't relate to something a big as "the universe/reality" as a whole, so I don't even try. Heck, I have a hard time relating to Gaea as a whole even though I live on this beautiful blue-green sphere!

ah, ok. Yeah I know what you mean
 

lunamoth

Will to love
Many believers say that scientific discoveries, far from making them lose faith, have only strengthened their faith. I fail to understand how this can be so. Would believers explain this with examples from their own lives? That may help me see where they are coming from.

I've never understood why non-believers think that just because we understand how something works, then God must not have anything to do with it.

To the person mentioning "Split the atom’s heart, and lo!
Within it thou wilt find a sun. ", I am familiar with that through Baha'u'llah's Seven Valleys as being attributed to a Persian mystic poem.
 

javajo

Well-Known Member
Many believers say that scientific discoveries, far from making them lose faith, have only strengthened their faith. I fail to understand how this can be so. Would believers explain this with examples from their own lives? That may help me see where they are coming from.
To me, the more we learn about the complexity of the universe, of cells, of all the many factors that have to be just right for us to exist on this earth, screams against the absurd idea that all this just happened by random chance without any planning or guidance or reason for it. Ah, but that's just me, what can ya do? :facepalm:
 
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