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An interesting view of Atheism

atpollard

Active Member
That, however, is a counter-intuitive and counter-evidenced claim. In that respect it is anything but logical or equivalent to its opposite claim.

Are you truly expecting people to claim complete ignorance of moral patterns as they relate to beliefs? That is quite a lot to ask for!
No sir, that is my point. No evidence is presented. Unsupported opinion is presented as fact.

Since I am blind to this self-evident proof that life has provided you in abundance, then please enlighten me with your documentation supporting the claim that atheists (who do not believe) are more moral, than those who believe.
Even then, you are only half way there, since the claim is MOST MORAL.

Who are these "worlds most moral" non-believers that are so widely known that the claim requires no support?
How does one actually measure "morality" to quantify who is 'most moral'?

Apparently, I am the only one who can't see it.
 

McBell

Unbound
No sir, that is my point. No evidence is presented. Unsupported opinion is presented as fact.

Since I am blind to this self-evident proof that life has provided you in abundance, then please enlighten me with your documentation supporting the claim that atheists (who do not believe) are more moral, than those who believe.
Even then, you are only half way there, since the claim is MOST MORAL.

Who are these "worlds most moral" non-believers that are so widely known that the claim requires no support?
How does one actually measure "morality" to quantify who is 'most moral'?

Apparently, I am the only one who can't see it.
The problem here is that you made a claim that you now refuse to support.
All the chest beating in the world will not change that fact.
 

Nurion

Member
Since I am blind to this self-evident proof that life has provided you in abundance, then please enlighten me with your documentation supporting the claim that atheists (who do not believe) are more moral, than those who believe.
Even then, you are only half way there, since the claim is MOST MORAL.

Who are these "worlds most moral" non-believers that are so widely known that the claim requires no support?
How does one actually measure "morality" to quantify who is 'most moral'?

Apparently, I am the only one who can't see it.

Presenting evidence for this does seem hard, since obviously different people have seen different things in their lifetime. Therefore, to present someone as "most moral" is impossible. I would argue however, that atheists' views are not tied to a specific authority that has to be obeyed as a source of morality. This in turn leads to many atheists acting more moral in many situations.

Take for example prominent atheists Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg, both recently decided to give away most of their money to educational institutions, no strings attached. My beef with donating to religiously motivated donations is that usually those organizations, although they do help a lot in third world countries, their help is tied to religious doctrine. Whereas secular organizations help for the sake of helping.

And as far as proof is concerned: If you search for the Milgram experiment, you will find that people who had stronger religious beliefs were less likely to challenge authority. Therefore making them more likely to do unmoral deeds than did people with lower or even no religious beliefs.
 
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