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[Thermos aquaticus]

but I am of the opinion that the reason for this is that the believer is quite comfortable in America, but the atheist (in one form or another, I use the term skeptic) is a somewhat repressed minority, politically and socially.

Do you think there is any truth to that?

I don't think atheists are repressed in any meaningful way. I do think that atheists, being in the minority, are misunderstood by the majority. As atheists, we see rather worrying claims about atheism that we know are wrong, so the natural inclination is to correct those errors. For example, atheism is often equated to nihilism which is entirely wrong. Some even question if atheists are capable of morality, so we tend to take such things seriously and explain our position.

 

[Earthling]

Please It is far beyond "allegedly" and no, none of them survived.

It isn't a question of survival, they weren't responsible.

My question is what drives a person to hate his fellow man so that he falsely accuses others of grand conspiracies. Do you have an explanation?

As much as I despise organized religion, it isn't responsible. Politics is.

 

[Earthling]

I seriously have no clue. I guess he gets to determine who is a "True christian" or not.

There's no such thing as a "True Christian." No religion has ever remained true to itself. It's always transmogrified to appease the masses for political, social, or monetary reasons.

 

[ChristineM]

I seriously have no clue. I guess he gets to determine who is a "True christian" or not.

Many "true" christians seem be think they have the right to dictate who is and who isnt a member of their faith. For some reason Matthew 7:1 doesn't apply to true christians

 

[ChristineM]

There's no such thing as a "True Christian." No religion has ever remained true to itself. It's always transmogrified to appease the masses for political, social, or monetary reasons.

My goodness, not only does he blame others for heinous religious acts of violence. He makes excuses for his judgemental comments

 

[Jumi]

My goodness, not only does he blame others for heinous religious acts of violence. He makes excuses for his judgemental comments

While I don't see any meaning in blaming atheists for something that clearly wasn't the work of atheists, I agree with him with this part. Religions haven't kept true (not in the true Scotsman sense) to themselves. By getting organized they've become part of machineries that works against much of what was good about them originally. Among others it seems Buddha was critical of the form his religion was taking.

 

[ecco]

Do they set off bombs at arenas or on trains?

No, again, those are politically minded atheists.

Which atheists set off bombs at arenas or on trains?

 

[ChristineM]

While I don't see any meaning in blaming atheists for something that clearly wasn't the work of atheists, I agree with him with this part. Religions haven't kept true (not in the true Scotsman sense) to themselves. By getting organized they've become part of machineries that works against much of what was good about them originally. Among others it seems Buddha was critical of the form his religion was taking.

What was good about them?

And does developmental change give anyone the right to judge others because they have not changed in the same way?

 

[Jumi]

What was good about them?

My explanation won't fit in the margin, just think of it as my opinion that some religions were better before they became organized religions.

 

[ecco]

By fake Christians and Jews I mean people who pretend to be Christian or Jew and really are not.

It's amazing and really funny how many Christians of many different sects accuse other Christians of not being REAL Christians.

I always wonder and usually ask: Who are you to define who or what constitutes a REAL Christian?

 

[dianaiad]

What is a militant skeptic?

Do they fly planes into buildings?
Do they set off bombs at arenas or on trains?
Do they intimidate women and shoot doctors at female health clinics?

No, they starve people by the millions, or shoot them, or work them to death.

There has never been a government where religion was forbidden (that would be a 'militant atheist,' if there ever was one) where the death toll wasn't horrific. It's called 'democide.'

While theocracies can be murderous, not all of them were. It WAS possible to have a theocracy where people weren't killed by the job lots.

However, there hasn't been even one government that prohibited religion (that comes under the category 'atheist,' by the way, the same way that 'car' comes under the category 'motor vehicle), that was NOT murderous. Not even one.

Here is an example: China was a theocracy for literally thousands of years (the Emperor as god). It wasn't until Mao forbade all forms of worship that everybody started getting killed off.


So don't talk about 'militant atheism' as if it were something completely benign, logical and kinder than thou. It's not. An atheist...particularly a 'militant atheist' who gains the sort of power required to enforce his opinions regarding religion on his government? Not a good idea. They haven't handled things any better than a religious nut case sort of leader. In fact, the biggest difference between the anti-religious atheist and the religious nut case?

The atheists have shown themselves to be better at mass murder than the theists. At least they have so far.

 

[ecco]

The so called Muslims who allegedly flew planes into the WTC were CIA assets who were witnessed drinking alcohol, wearing jewelry, visiting prostitutes, and using cocaine. Not your typical Muslim practice. Most of them have been proven to still be alive.

How does someone, Muslim or CIA operative, survive flying a plane into a building?

 

[Earthling]

It's amazing and really funny how many Christians of many different sects accuse other Christians of not being REAL Christians.

I always wonder and usually ask: Who are you to define who or what constitutes a REAL Christian?

I'm not a Christian. ETA, but all Christians think all other Christians are fake Christians.

 

[Earthling]

How does someone, Muslim or CIA operative, survive flying a plane into a building?

The people who were allegedly responsible for the 911 attacks were not really responsible. The real people who did it only wanted to go to war in the Middle East. The last I counted, 13 of the 19 had been proven to still be alive and well. Link: BBC

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

However, there hasn't been even one government that prohibited religion (that comes under the category 'atheist,' by the way, the same way that 'car' comes under the category 'motor vehicle), that was NOT murderous. Not even one.

There is nothing in atheism that requires other people to not believe.

Here is an example: China was a theocracy for literally thousands of years (the Emperor as god). It wasn't until Mao forbade all forms of worship that everybody started getting killed off.

You need to brush up on your Chinese history. Genghis Kahn killed off millions of people, and he wasn't an atheist.

 

[icehorse]

How's that working out for you? How long have you been doing it? Have you come to the conclusion that it's a complete waste of time, yet? If not, you will.

You know how it goes with evangelism, you have to take the long view. You win some, sometimes you make no progress. You get the word out, you plant the seeds...

 

[Subduction Zone]

The people who were allegedly responsible for the 911 attacks were not really responsible. The real people who did it only wanted to go to war in the Middle East. The last I counted, 13 of the 19 had been proven to still be alive and well. Link: BBC

Refuted by BBC:

BBC - The Editors: 9/11 conspiracy theory

 

[ecco]

The atheists have shown themselves to be better at mass murder than the theists. At least they have so far.

Hmm, if memory serves, Hitler did a pretty good job of killing Jews. He used the teachings of Luther to inflame Catholic and Protestant Christians to subdue Jews.

The Spaniards running the Inquisition did a pretty good job of killing non-believers (mostly Jews).

The witch hunts in Europe killed tens of thousands of people, mostly Christians.

The Catholic - Protestant wars in Europe killed many Protestants - Catholics.

Oh, then there was the invasion of Muslim lands by Christians and the invasion of Christian Lands by Muslims.

Let's not forget the Christian invasion of the Americas that led to the elimination of a the vast majority of indigenous peoples.

All these were done "In the name of God" and "For God's Greater Glory".



Mao Tse Tung did indeed kill millions. However, he did not do it "In Name of Atheism" or "For The Greater Glory of Atheism". He eliminated religion in the same way and for the same reasons as he eliminated any competing force.

 

[Earthling]

Refuted by BBC:

BBC - The Editors: 9/11 conspiracy theory

Want To Know .info
NDTV

 

[ecco]

I'm not a Christian. ETA, but all Christians think all other Christians are fake Christians.

Sorry for the incorrect designation. The term "Bible Believer" led me to think you were Christian. I didn't know there were any bibles other than the Christian Bible.