Anarcho-communism

[Kirran]

I thought anarchy was a state of society without government or law.

Common usage.

Anarchy=/= anarchism though.

I think classifying Rojava as ancom is giving them too much credit.
While there are for sure ancoms in Rojava (as there are ML's aswell,) they don't really have the common ownership stuff going from them and not much of an observable transitional process.

I only read the book by Oso so I might be wrong but it seemed to be very not-socialist.

I'm not saying Rojava's ancom, I'm just saying that it's a good example to look at.

I think there are some very solid leftist components to it, and there's an anarchist sentiment behind Bookchin/Ocalan's not-calling-it-anarchism-but-it's-anarchism thing

We can safely say that it's broadly a libertarian leftist project, I think.

 

[Spiderman]

You can abolish prisons...

Prison abolition movement - Wikipedia



You thought the matrix was just a movie didn't you Neo? Lol.

You can also read it as a social critique about how our perception and awareness of reality can be manipulated by "the system". I.e. How our education, social networks and the media limit our knowledge of what exists and whats possible.

The truth is that as long as you stay within the "comfort zone" of mainstream mass media a HUGE amount of information simply won't come on your radar. Its as if it didn't exist. The easiest way to keep people ignorant is to tell them something is impossible or else not let them know its even there so they can't know its possible. Huge swathes of human history, cultures and socities just disappear because they are "out of sight". You can get carried away and take it too far but It doesn't mean its all wrong. Its more accurate to say the way we see the world is highly distorted. Maybe Like a hall of mirrors- some bits get much more attention and are exaggerated whilst others don't get any attention at all.

It gets easier though. Sorry btw, I don't get to have this much fun as most people aren't prepared to go beyond what they already know. So this is a pleasant experience to share for a change.

You have helped me, so glad I could help in return

I hope you find the happiness you are looking for, comrade! In order for communism to work, people have to love each other though.

 

[Laika]

You have helped me, so glad I could help in return

I hope you find the happiness you are looking for, comrade! In order for communism to work, people have to love each other though.

The worst part about being a communist is the loneliness as its like you've crash landed from mars and no-one speaks the same language or thinks the same way. You feel things that no-one else "gets" because they don't have the same experiences or knowledge to draw on. Its not as if there is somewhere you can go and find people of like mind as its so rare nowdays [Commies: we are the .1% lol. ] Its the way the conversation justs shuts down into single line answers or sterotypes as people put you in a box because they've decided they know who you are without even getting the facts or knowing much about it. Their defensiveness wears you down and your left feeling its your fault for wanting to know things that make other people uncomfortable.

Getting to share the "fun part" of finding out whats possible with someone is very special. So thanks comrade. That was very welcome but very unexpected.

 

[Kirran]

To be honest, I don't experience that kind of thing so much myself. Generally, it's cos my politics is more a side-note than a self-defining thing, but even then when I discuss anarchism with people it is often received nicely, albeit with some surprise.

 

[Spiderman]

The worst part about being a communist is the loneliness as its like you've crash landed from mars and no-one speaks the same language or thinks the same way. You feel things that no-one else "gets" because they don't have the same experiences or knowledge to draw on. Its not as if there is somewhere you can go and find people of like mind as its so rare nowdays [Commies: we are the .1% lol. ] Its the way the conversation justs shuts down into single line answers or sterotypes as people put you in a box because they've decided they know who you are without even getting the facts or knowing much about it. Their defensiveness wears you down and your left feeling its your fault for wanting to know things that make other people uncomfortable.

Getting to share the "fun part" of finding out whats possible with someone is very special. So thanks comrade. That was very welcome but very unexpected.

Well, I'm dissapointed in God for failing to reveal himself to you. Listen to your heart for that is where the Spirit speaks.

I understand the loneliness. I dreamed of a communist community all my life and was certain that was where my destiny is.

After not making it there I wound up homeless in which I stabbed someone. After a charge like that there is not another Catholic-Communist community that will accept me. I long for that communist bliss where I take orders, have a structured day, and benefit from the efforts, education, and talents of the community and wiser superiors.

I truly wish I was dead, but suicide goes against my conscience and would hurt my family too bad.

To a certain extent I feel your pain. I admire you for daring to be different. Not only are you rejected by most people, but you don't have the opiate-of-the-masses (Religion) to console yourself. That is a heavy cross to carry! I admire your efforts!

 

[Kirran]

Well, I'm dissapointed in God for failing to reveal himself to you. Listen to your heart for that is where the Spirit speaks.

I understand the loneliness. I dreamed of a communist community all my life and was certain that was where my destiny is.

After not making it there I wound up homeless in which I stabbed someone. After a charge like that there is not another Catholic-Communist community that will accept me. I long for that communist bliss where I take orders, have a structured day, and benefit from the efforts, education, and talents of the community and wiser superiors.

I truly wish I was dead, but suicide goes against my conscience and would hurt my family too bad.

To a certain extent I feel your pain. I admire you for daring to be different. Not only are you rejected by most people, but you don't have the opiate-of-the-masses (Religion) to console yourself. That is a heavy cross to carry! I admire your efforts!

Seriously, the monasteries you've approached won't accept somebody with criminal charges? Whatever happened to Christian values.

 

[Spiderman]

Seriously, the monasteries you've approached won't accept somebody with criminal charges? Whatever happened to Christian values.

I have a psychiatric diagnosis too. They are very careful who they accept because of all the lawsuits. Life isn't fair.

Maybe if a few years went by and I made something of myself I'd have a shot!

 

[Kirran]

I have a psychiatric diagnosis too. They are very careful who they accept because of all the lawsuits. Life isn't fair.

Maybe if a few years went by and I made something of myself I'd have a shot!

It still seems pretty odd to me. How many monasteries have you approached?

I would like to think they'd do things case by case. The only monastery I know well is the Hindu/interfaith independent Franciscan monastery where I am planning to live, but I have also been to a Blackfriars monastery in the East of England, and they seemed quite reasonable too.

 

[Spiderman]

It still seems pretty odd to me. How many monasteries have you approached?

I would like to think they'd do things case by case. The only monastery I know well is the Hindu/interfaith independent Franciscan monastery where I am planning to live, but I have also been to a Blackfriars monastery in the East of England, and they seemed quite reasonable too.

I've spent time at four monasteries. I've spoken with others by the phone. They usually reject me because of my psychiatric history alone. There is probably one out there somewhere but there are other complicated factors like transportation, and so far the answer is no (and I don't like the rejection much )

 

[Kirran]

I've spent time at four monasteries. I've spoken with others by the phone. They usually reject me because of my psychiatric history alone. There is probably one out there somewhere but there are other complicated factors like transportation, and so far the answer is no (and I don't like the rejection much )

Hmm, I'll admit to being a little mystified that there's such widespread rejection. But I have faith you'll find the place you need to be eventually.

 

[Spiderman]

Hmm, I'll admit to being a little mystified that there's such widespread rejection. But I have faith you'll find the place you need to be eventually.

Do you have faith that most people find where they need to be?

 

[Laika]

Well, I'm dissapointed in God for failing to reveal himself to you. Listen to your heart for that is where the Spirit speaks.

I understand the loneliness. I dreamed of a communist community all my life and was certain that was where my destiny is.

After not making it there I wound up homeless in which I stabbed someone. After a charge like that there is not another Catholic-Communist community that will accept me. I long for that communist bliss where I take orders, have a structured day, and benefit from the efforts, education, and talents of the community and wiser superiors.

I truly wish I was dead, but suicide goes against my conscience and would hurt my family too bad.

To a certain extent I feel your pain. I admire you for daring to be different. Not only are you rejected by most people, but you don't have the opiate-of-the-masses (Religion) to console yourself. That is a heavy cross to carry! I admire your efforts!

Sorry to hear that you haven't found a community willing to accept you. they really should know better when they worship a guy who spent his spare time round prostitutes and tax-collectors than to judge a person. (*shakes head* i mean... Tax-collecters? Come on! They're the worst! )

Perhaps its a good thing as if they call themselves Christians but aren't willing to practice Christian love- you can guess they are not the "real" thing. They see only what they want to see and they don't see you.

You're very welcome to be part of the communist sub forum and post there. Don't feel the need to hide your christian beliefs or your experiences. jesus was a revolutionary and early christians were pretty egalitarian and had quite a few women among the ranks too if I remember correctly. It was only later that they started to orgaise it into a hierarchial order. I realise you have fascist sympathies and may take interest an national bolshevism: don't worry about it. Everyone adds something and that is valuable even if people may at first disagree. You can't fight fascism without being willing to understand it and "win" people over so I'd be very proud to have one among us. It means we've got something right.

We've talked a couple of times the past few days and yes- it is a heavy cross to bare. As I've said I've had depression, I felt suicidal, I'm unemployed and pretty much broke and my relationship with my parents hasn't helped as much as I would like either. so feel free to chat or PM if it gets too much so you can let off steam.

Lets see if we can't help you find a reason to live again other than your conscience. I trust there will be something.

 

[Kirran]

Do you have faith that most people find where they need to be?

I do, yeah.

 

[Spiderman]

I do, yeah.

What is responsible for getting them to where they need to be?

 

[Spiderman]

Sorry to hear that you haven't found a community willing to accept you. they really should know better when they worship a guy who spent his spare time round prostitutes and tax-collectors than to judge a person. (*shakes head* i mean... Tax-collecters? Come on! They're the worst! )

Perhaps its a good thing as if they call themselves Christians but aren't willing to practice Christian love- you can guess they are not the "real" thing. They see only what they want to see and they don't see you.

You're very welcome to be part of the communist sub forum and post there. Don't feel the need to hide your christian beliefs or your experiences. jesus was a revolutionary and early christians were pretty egalitarian and had quite a few women among the ranks too if I remember correctly. It was only later that they started to orgaise it into a hierarchial order. I realise you have fascist sympathies and may take interest an national bolshevism: don't worry about it. Everyone adds something and that is valuable even if people may at first disagree. You can't fight fascism without being willing to understand it and "win" people over so I'd be very proud to have one among us. It means we've got something right.

We've talked a couple of times the past few days and yes- it is a heavy cross to bare. As I've said I've had depression, I felt suicidal, I'm unemployed and pretty much broke and my relationship with my parents hasn't helped as much as I would like either. so feel free to chat or PM if it gets too much so you can let off steam.

Lets see if we can't help you find a reason to live again other than your conscience. I trust there will be something.

I'm just hesitant to post on the communist-only forum because others, especially staff, might not see me as a communist.

I do thank you for your Christ-like charity in welcoming me.

Yes you are absolutely right...Christ was a friend of the most unloveable...the prostitutes and the tax-collectors. My name is Matthew, the name of a great sinner and tax-collector that Christ called to be an Apostle.

The Church just isn't Christ-like these days. There is too much fear of scandal and lawsuits. But yes indeed, tax-collectors were some of the most hated people of Christ's time.

Anyhow, Thank you for the friendship and it is good to be able to have that relationship with a communist of all people!

I truly think Communism where everyone is cooperating is the most Christ-like Society. I never thought I'd say that.

 

[Spiderman]