Ancient Christian Writings in Egypt Support LDS Teachings

[zippythepinhead]

This is an amazing article.

MormonTimes - doctrine & beliefs

 

[idea]

Thanks - interesting

read another interesting article off of times:
MormonTimes - doctrine & beliefs

I knew this but did not really think about them not being Jewish...
"determining Lehi's DNA is difficult because the book claims he is not even Jewish, but a descendant of the biblical Joseph."

 

[doppelganger]

None of the writings are specifically identified, but parts of the description make it sound like comparisons are being drawn to the Nag Hammadi documents (the "Gnostic" Gospels). Are those the "Egyptian" documents to which he is referring in the article?

 

[zippythepinhead]

None of the writings are specifically identified, but parts of the description make it sound like comparisons are being drawn to the Nag Hammadi documents (the "Gnostic" Gospels). Are those the "Egyptian" documents to which he is referring in the article?

I believe that the writings referred to are of Egyptian in origin both on metalic plates and papyri.

 

[Starfish]

Thanks, Zippy.

 

[madhatter85]

if he is a descendant of Joseph it would explain why Lehi knew Reformed Egytptian.

 

[zippythepinhead]

if he is a descendant of Joseph it would explain why Lehi knew Reformed Egytptian.

Agreed. IMO Lehi probably was a trader. It is obvious that he knew the art of the carivan. Also the fact that they had so much gold and silver items. Those were common commodities to trade in the Sixth Century BC for goods and services. So I am sure that Lehi had travelled outside Jerusalem around the known trading area of Israel at that time. It would have been important for his sons to know Egyptian along with other languages of the geographical area.

 

[madhatter85]

this is an amazing article..... i love it. i'm getting Giddy.

 

[Sola'lor]

Agreed. IMO Lehi probably was a trader. It is obvious that he knew the art of the carivan. Also the fact that they had so much gold and silver items. Those were common commodities to trade in the Sixth Century BC for goods and services. So I am sure that Lehi had travelled outside Jerusalem around the known trading area of Israel at that time. It would have been important for his sons to know Egyptian along with other languages of the geographical area.

Mmmm. Very interesting. I've never thought of that before.

 

[doppelganger]

I believe that the writings referred to are of Egyptian in origin both on metalic plates and papyri.

That doesn't help at all. What documents is he talking about?

 

[zippythepinhead]

That doesn't help at all. What documents is he talking about?

Documents recently discovered in Egypt.

 

[Doodlebug02]

Very cool article! What gets me is why these scholars don't accept that Mormonism is true when they see the evidence like they are seeing. It just makes no sense.

 

[zippythepinhead]

Very cool article! What gets me is why these scholars don't accept that Mormonism is true when they see the evidence like they are seeing. It just makes no sense.

With the evidence mounting the link between the truthfulness of the BOM and pre Columbian culture continues to narrow. But you know scholars with a PhD many times are the most dumb people I have ever met

 

[Smoke]

That doesn't help at all. What documents is he talking about?

Griggs doesn't say. The article doesn't say. Just ... documents.

 

[McBell]

I have to say, with all honesty, that the article is extremely lacking in details.
Is this what passes as journalism these days?

 

[Ephramsdaughter]

It is my understanding that there is no such language as "reformed egyptian" found anywhere other than being mentioned by Joseph Smith. QUOTE]

Reformed Egyptian did not exist in Egypt. It came about in New World:

"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, IN THE CHARACTERS WHICH ARE CALLED AMONG US THE REFORMED EGYPTIAN, BEING HANDED DOWN AND ALTERED BY US, ACCORDING TO OUR MANNER OF SPEECH.

And if our plates had been sufficiently large, we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record.

But the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also that NONE OTHER PEOPLE KNOWETH OUR LANGUAGE; and because that none other people knoweth our language, therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof. (Mormon 9:32-34)

When the family of Lehi first arrived they recorded their history in the language with which they were familiar namely Nephi said: "in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians. (1Nephi 1:2)

King Benjamin also stated:

"For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having taught in the language of the Egyptians therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that therebt they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to thepresent time. (Mosiah 1:4 (3)

While originally, one of the original written languages of Lehi's group was a form of Egyptian such as demotic, which began to be used 50 yrs before Lehi left Jerusalem, that language evolved, which may have been possibly due in part to contact with other cultures, into a language that became a modified or reformed Egyptian.

 

[idea]

I am not sure about the specific article here, but I have been starting to read a few other ancient texts...

Nibley compares many ancient writing with the BOM, Pearl, etc... Here is an example:

The Book of Enoch - link to part 1 - quite a read to get the entire picture - goes to part 13? scroll through the articles - there are columns comparing Book of Moses with Apocrypha etc.. link.

Here is an interesting site with a large collection of ancient writings link newly found texts are highlighted with a bell.

 

[Smoke]

Here is an interesting site with a large collection of ancient writings link newly found texts are highlighted with a bell.

Not all of those texts are ancient, and the bell doesn't designate newly found texts, but texts that are "new" to site -- although some of them have been there nearly four years.

 

[EtuMalku]

Given that Yeshua most certainly studied in Egypt and that Moses was brought up an Egyptian this doesn't surprise me.
The Angel bit is a little too much though.
And yes, this whole article seethes of Gnostic Gospel.

 

[idea]

sorry -
here is a link for the Book of Abraham in comparison to other ancient texts.
Book of Mormon Evidences link
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Anyone reading the links? Anyone want more links? I suppose you can all google them as well as I can