....and It Spins

[Thief]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

 

[Polymath257]

Something, not someone.

And why do you assume that the phrase 'before the singularity' even makes sense? The term 'singularity' in this context implies the non-existence of a prior time.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

Its a very logical assumption that someone should make a cause to have an affect. Like the koan of the tree falling in the forest, we rightfully assume 99% there was a sound. We do not know.

Life is full of mystery. If you did not see anyone rotate the coin, techically, we dont know. We just have logical assumptions. If we knew thered be no supernatural.

Why someone?

The wind can push the coin. A animal with opposing thumbs can too. The source is not always a person....invisible at that. Sounds odd but being invisible lets you put more variables in the analogy that we cant proove true or false given the nature you cant see.

A lot of variables involved to be proof the source of the OP is only one type. Need more to go on.

 

[Aldrnari]

Its a very logical assumption that someone should make a cause to have an affect. Like the koan of the tree falling in the forest, we rightfully assume 99% there was a sound. We do not know.

Life is full of mystery. If you did not see anyone rotate the coin, techically, we dont know. We just have logical assumptions. If we knew thered be no supernatural.

Why someone?

The wind can push the coin. A animal with opposing thumbs can too. The source is not always a person....invisible at that. Sounds odd but being invisible lets you put more variables in the analogy that we cant proove true or false given the nature you cant see.

A lot of variables involved to be proof the source of the OP is only one type. Need more to go on.

Very thoughtful post. Reminds me of ghost shows on TV.

People talk about how their doors open and close by themselves in their homes, so it must be a ghost. My brother, who inspects homes, informed me that doors will often open and close depending on pressure differentials in people's homes- especially if they are older homes.

Mundane explanations may not be the most interesting for things we don't know, but I don't see much value in leaping to "ghost" as the explanation (especially when there are other possibilities).

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

We have experience that a coin cannot continue spinning on its own given Earth's gravity, effects of friction and the loss of momentum those things will enact on an object like a coin. So we know that something needs to be reinvigorating that energy in order for the coin to continue spinning in our limited environment.

But in the case with the forces in play that keep the planets/stars/galaxies spinning/orbiting - according to the rules, nothing needs to be there to sustain relative stability in that spinning motion for extremely long periods of time. And those forces are always there, always working - and so the input is constant, without a hand needed. Even if there is a hand, it has made itself so invisible that it appears that it is unnecessary by all accounts. Just ask yourself - why would God go through all the lengths necessary to automate the process, only to be there, constantly spinning the coin? The answer is simple - He wouldn't.

 

[sayak83]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

Actually, in vacuum, a coin will spin from eternity to eternity. No need for anybody to start spinning it.

 

[Tumah]

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

Can you explain why?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Very thoughtful post. Reminds me of ghost shows on TV.

People talk about how their doors open and close by themselves in their homes, so it must be a ghost. My brother, who inspects homes, informed me that doors will often open and close depending on pressure differentials in people's homes- especially if they are older homes.

Mundane explanations may not be the most interesting for things we don't know, but I don't see much value in leaping to "ghost" as the explanation (especially when there are other possibilities).

Yeah. My mother, father, real estate woman, and I say a "ghost" when I was young. Mother and I had bee held down before when werent sleep. Found out its sleep paralysis when your mind hasnt caught up with your awakened body. Thats probably the cause of many OBE Ive had.

Its uncomfortable to know natural causes to supernatural events. For me, it doesnt invalidate the spiritual part of it but like all interpretation of ourselves and the natural workd its mind based.

A lot of people cant think apart from god. My coworker said she didnt want to hear if there are older religions than judaism and christianity. Change her sense of being. Same with god with my other friend. Another gets offensive so I stay quiet.

Interesting I only observed this in christianity. Ptobably because of numbers is confirmed bias. Other non abrahamic theists are more humble. Depends on culture too.

 

[Nakosis]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

Or perhaps energy has always existed and it's constantly in a process of changing form. What you see spinning is part of this process.

 

[Curious George]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

Notice how we don't think a god was just in the room and just spun the coin.

 

[David T]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

MEDIEVAL TRANSHUMANIST!!!

No it's a computer silly and, we live in a virtual reality. I know you prefer medieval Transhumanism to modern transhumanism I get that. way more romantic .
Modern version

So really what we have is an argument between romantic medieval transhumanists vs modern realist transhumanism. One is literature based and the other mathematically based. One places emphasis on accuracy the other on emotions and heroic adventure. Now if I had to choose one over the other.....

 

[idav]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

You could also rest assured that the person that left a spinning coin has a mother. So logically God has a mother? At some point you have to throw out cause because something is eventually exempt. That something could be any sort of universal mother or father or universal thing.

 

[Thief]

Something, not someone.

And why do you assume that the phrase 'before the singularity' even makes sense? The term 'singularity' in this context implies the non-existence of a prior time.

if it were simply .....something.....then
substance has the will to create it's......self

oooops....

that would be....Someone

 

[Thief]

You could also rest assured that the person that left a spinning coin has a mother. So logically God has a mother? At some point you have to throw out cause because something is eventually exempt. That something could be any sort of universal mother or father or universal thing.

Someone had to be first

not born of woman

 

[Thief]

Or perhaps energy has always existed and it's constantly in a process of changing form. What you see spinning is part of this process.

energy without form....having the will to be a form.....

still looks like intellect is in the lead

 

[Thief]

Can you explain why?

if the expansion had been a simple bang
then all of this existence would be one single percussion wave expanding uniformly

that is not what we see when we look up

the rotation would need to be in place BEFORE the singularity .....popped

 

[Nakosis]

energy without form....having the will to be a form.....

still looks like intellect is in the lead

I suppose if the determinists have their say there's no intellect involved, just cause and effect.

 

[Thief]

I suppose if the determinists have their say there's no intellect involved, just cause and effect.

and it is cause and effect for which I post this thread

by observation alone....with little detail for use
I suspect there is a .....God

I don't much lean to determinism

 

[idav]

Someone had to be first

not born of woman

Not someone, something.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

if you walk into a room having only a table....
you could be sure....someone has been there
there is a table left behind

If you find a coin of current date on the table
someone has been there....recently

if the coin is spinning on it's edge
someone is close at hand

I have said so on many previous occasions
what we see when we look up......spins, rotates, orbits and spirals

ALL of that motion needed to be in rotation BEFORE the primordial singularity began to expand

I say.....God pinched that singularity between His fingers and gave it a good hard snap
(so to speak)

BANG!

I admit it. I was spinning the coin.