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And Now -- Presenting for your amusement -- HHS Director RFK!

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Donald Trump was once credited with "Warp-9," the high-speed development of new vaccines for COVID-19. And now he has nominated anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head up Health and Human Services.

I'm done bringing up this losing Cabinet. Why bother? It's only going to get worse!

The United States is headed down a terrible slope, and apparently, that's exactly what Americans actually want. This is who they are. So who are the rest of us to chide them for it?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Donald Trump was once credited with "Warp-9," the high-speed development of new vaccines for COVID-19. And now he has nominated anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head up Health and Human Services.

I'm done bringing up this losing Cabinet. Why bother? It's only going to get worse!

The United States is headed down a terrible slope, and apparently, that's exactly what Americans actually want. This is who they are. So who are the rest of us to chide them for it?
Well you go ahead and cry and whine in the mirror, the rest of us are going to wait to see that our lives get better after this collosal disaster of the present inept Administration.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Donald Trump was once credited with "Warp-9," the high-speed development of new vaccines for COVID-19. And now he has nominated anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head up Health and Human Services.

I'm done bringing up this losing Cabinet. Why bother? It's only going to get worse!

The United States is headed down a terrible slope, and apparently, that's exactly what Americans actually want. This is who they are. So who are the rest of us to chide them for it?
Get ready for treating epidemics with horse de-wormers & bleach.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Get ready for treating epidemics with horse de-wormers & bleach.
Well, he did say, out of his own mouth, that if there were another pandemic, he would NOT prioritize vaccines.

To anybody who really would prefer that neither they nor their families died unnecessarily when another virus slips over the animal-human divide, that should be truly terrifying. Unless, of course, they haven't got the brains to understand just how many millions upon millions of lives have been saved by vaccines.

Oh, wait -- Trump won a majority -- brains may not be at issue, I guess.
 
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Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Donald Trump was once credited with "Warp-9," the high-speed development of new vaccines for COVID-19. And now he has nominated anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head up Health and Human Services.

I'm done bringing up this losing Cabinet. Why bother? It's only going to get worse!

The United States is headed down a terrible slope, and apparently, that's exactly what Americans actually want. This is who they are. So who are the rest of us to chide them for it?
I am shocked you don’t like a Trump pick. Just shocked.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
No point in telling that to those who are not using objective reasons in making political decisions.

Often my responses are not for the person I am responding to. ;-)

If folks don't respond, these people are empowered and it gives the false impression that there is no response.

Edited to add: I do think @Clizby Wampuscat is reasonable and will at the very least take objections into consideration.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Edited to add: I do think @Clizby Wampuscat is reasonable and will at the very least take objections into consideration.
@Clizby Wampuscat has said -- about Trump, and now about Gaetz -- that "allegations" (lots of them, well attested) have not been "proven," and so he's good with them in these high power jobs.

I'd ask Clizby this: if the monsignor at the Catholic Church specifically asked for his attractive, 13-year old son to be an altar boy, and there are serious allegations about this particular monsignor, is he content that since the allegations haven't been proven that his son should go for the "private lessons" the monsignor suggests? If there's an allegation of sexual abuse at the daycare he's planning to send his kids to, but that have not been proven, would he have no qualms about sending his kids?

Okay, we're not talking about kids here -- we're talking about the nation! We are talking about putting so much power into the hands of persons against whom a very large bunch of "allegations" have been attested. But, since they haven't been "proven," well, yeah -- let's hand the country over. What could possibly go wrong, eh?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
@Clizby Wampuscat has said -- about Trump, and now about Gaetz -- that "allegations" (lots of them, well attested) have not been "proven," and so he's good with them in these high power jobs.

I'd ask Clizby this: if the monsignor at the Catholic Church specifically asked for his attractive, 13-year old son to be an altar boy, and there are serious allegations about this particular monsignor, is he content that since the allegations haven't been proven that his son should go for the "private lessons" the monsignor suggests? If there's an allegation of sexual abuse at the daycare he's planning to send his kids to, but that have not been proven, would he have no qualms about sending his kids?

Okay, we're not talking about kids here -- we're talking about the nation! We are talking about putting so much power into the hands of persons against whom a very large bunch of "allegations" have been attested. But, since they haven't been "proven," well, yeah -- let's hand the country over. What could possibly go wrong, eh?

Yeah, I absolutely get it. It's so frustrating.

There are some things that can't be denied though, like RFK's actual history with health-related issues. It's nuts that we have to defend the idea that actual experts should be the people heading up these services, but here we are. My hope is that @Clizby Wampuscat is reasonable enough to understand the objections.

I could be wrong, though.

And if I am, the objections are being made and that is better than letting these opinions hang out there without objection.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Get ready for treating epidemics with horse de-wormers & bleach.
I think that’s truly and ignorant remark.


“To fully address transparency, I am including a full list of ivermectin studies completed to date, with the plurality of positive and negative findings in the form of an annotated bibliography at the end of this article to allow readers to see the sources of the research. Each of the 103 references includes a brief summary and a link to a longer analysis at c19early.

Along with the bibliography, I am also including two summary plots of the ivermectin data from c19early on overall benefit, and relative benefits from prophylaxis, early, and late treatments.”

“In the pictures shown above, the BLUE circles shown are studies that detail positive ivermectin study findings and the RED circles are negative. Negative data exists, but the positive ivermectin findings outnumber them both in study quantity and study size (illustrated by the circle sizes), as well as over time and by indication, according to meta-analysis data published at: c19ivm.org.”

 

InChrist

Free4ever
Donald Trump was once credited with "Warp-9," the high-speed development of new vaccines for COVID-19. And now he has nominated anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head up Health and Human Services.

I'm done bringing up this losing Cabinet. Why bother? It's only going to get worse!

The United States is headed down a terrible slope, and apparently, that's exactly what Americans actually want. This is who they are. So who are the rest of us to chide them for it?
I think he will do a great job of cleaning up our toxic food industry which has been so adulterated with agricultural chemicals, preservatives, and unhealthy additives like high fructose corn syrup and canola oil into almost just about all processed foods. Too much revolving door collusion has been occurring, providing lucrative profits between pharmaceutical and agribusiness companies with the FDA, CDC, and other government agencies, rather than these agencies doing what they were intended to do; protecting the health of the people in this country.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, he did say, out of his own mouth, that if there were another pandemic, he would NOT prioritize vaccines.

To anybody who really would prefer that neither they nor their families died unnecessarily when another virus slips over the animal-human divide, that should be truly terrifying.
It appears that he believes vaccines to be
dangerous rather than preserving health.
So he'd try to save lives with alternatives
eg, horse de-wormer, bleach.
His heart is in the right place. But his
brain is....corrupted.

Let's consider a real medical source, one
that's well known, & lacking controversy....
Excerpted...
Claims that ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine can treat COVID-19 are false. These medicines are still useful for treating other illness. But only medicines approved or authorized by the FDA to treat COVID-19 are useful for that illness.
Ivermectin treats or prevents parasites in animals and in humans, not viruses. Taking large doses of this drug can cause serious harm.
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are malaria medicines. Early in the pandemic, the FDA authorized these medicines for emergency use. But the FDA later withdrew that authorization. Clinical information showed that the medicines weren't effective for treating COVID-19. They also can cause serious heart problems.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think that’s truly and ignorant remark.
Of course you'd say that.
Love for Trump means blindly attacking critics.
I made the post in jest, but he did actually advocate
a horse de-wormer (Ivermectin) to treat Covid.
And yes, Ivermectin treats more parasites than just
worms in horses. But it's inappropriate for viruses.
So who's the ignant one now, eh.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
To repeat about RFK Jr's beloved snake oil approach to treating disease....

Excerpted...
Claims that ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine can treat COVID-19 are false. These medicines are still useful for treating other illness. But only medicines approved or authorized by the FDA to treat COVID-19 are useful for that illness.
Ivermectin treats or prevents parasites in animals and in humans, not viruses. Taking large doses of this drug can cause serious harm.
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are malaria medicines. Early in the pandemic, the FDA authorized these medicines for emergency use. But the FDA later withdrew that authorization. Clinical information showed that the medicines weren't effective for treating COVID-19. They also can cause serious heart problems.

The Mayo Clinic is more trustworthy that RFK Jr
& all the fringe websites his followers dredge
up on the internet.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
I think he will do a great job of cleaning up our toxic food industry which has been so adulterated with agricultural chemicals, preservatives, and unhealthy additives like high fructose corn syrup and canola oil into almost just about all processed foods. Too much revolting door collusion has been occurring, providing lucrative profits between pharmaceutical and agribusiness companies with the FDA, CDC, and other government agencies, rather than these agencies doing what they were intended to do; protecting the health of the people in this country.
No doubt the food industry has many bad ingredients, and this has been a compromise the US government has made for the sake of cheap, unhealthy food that is tasty. It's so ingrained in the culture of food and the economy that it can't really be fixed without causing problems to corporate profits and the economy. It does need to be changed, but seriously it begins with parents and adults not buying garbage for their kids. These garbage products are what they are because there are citizens using their free will buying them. If they don't do their own homework on the products well they will make as poor a decision as Trump voters did.

As for his vaccination attitudes, well those are not informed and dangerous. He's already responsible for the deaths of dozens of children in Samoa. Those parents learned the hard way RKF is nuts.
 
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