Angela Merkel: Multicultural society has failed.

[Tiapan]

The language group which defines a society can tolerate an assimilation rate of x. If x is exceeded then assimilation fails and racism and xenophobia escalates.

Fiji is a good microcosmic examination of when saturation occurs, Nazi Germany is a more complex example of the same irrational but real behavior.

Cheers

 

[monta]

The hysterical fear of the alien invading from within our own boundaries is at the heart of this type of rhetoric.
If you approach the situation like this you have liquid A and you add liquid b

1.You can theoretically add enough liquid b to liquid A so that to all intents and purposes liquid A becomes liquid b

2.You can add so little of liquid B to liquid A that to all intents and purposes Liquid A is unchanged

3. Both liquids will interact and form a third liquid.

Assimilation arguments are predicated on only one of these being tolerable.

 

[Onkara]

The language group which defines a society can tolerate an assimilation rate of x. If x is exceeded then assimilation fails and racism and xenophobia escalates.

Fiji is a good microcosmic examination of when saturation occurs, Nazi Germany is a more complex example of the same irrational but real behavior.

Cheers

My impression was that Nazi Germany wanted to remove multiculturalism in order to "strengthen" Arian culture. I am not clear if multiculturalism was a problem before 1915 in Germany? I ask as I would be interested to know.

 

[sandandfoam]

I think the multi-cultural model fails because the risks of 'us' and 'them' intergroup conflict arising out of it are too high.

I think the future lies in constructing a new "we" rather than concentrating on old us and them's.

 

[Caladan]

The hysterical fear of the alien invading from within our own boundaries is at the heart of this type of rhetoric.

Realistically speaking, its a healthy fear. cruel as only life can be. there is a Hebrew proverb 'Respect him but suspect him'. this should be the case with 'outsiders', you should welcome them, but understand that they carry their own baggage, which may conflict with your own.

If you approach the situation like this you have liquid A and you add liquid b

1.You can theoretically add enough liquid b to liquid A so that to all intents and purposes liquid A becomes liquid b

2.You can add so little of liquid B to liquid A that to all intents and purposes Liquid A is unchanged

3. Both liquids will interact and form a third liquid.

Assimilation arguments are predicated on only one of these being tolerable.

If people are not willing to assimilate to one extent or the other and respect the local norms and cultures, they will ALWAYS have problems.

 

[Tiapan]

Yep standard situation. Germany has the third highest immigration integration rate of any nation on the planet, so well done Germany. But like any language group (read society) it has reached saturation and can no longer assimilate the immigrants. This leads directly to a xenophobic hostile response 100% normal in all societies and is usually ugly. Check out politics of Fiji.

cheers

 

[kai]

People are grumbling because the money ran out. Are these guys assimilated into mainstream German culture?

People want someone to blame and the person that sticks out is an easy target, it is a practice as old as politics.

Those are teenagers! those of us that are familiar with the concept rejoice in such expression. shades of Britain in the late 70s ha ha

 

[Sunstone]

If you are interested in immigration to the US, an excellent book to read is Ethnic America by Thomas Sowell. Sowell wrote the book sometime before he tragically compromised his intellectual integrity and sold out to the powers that be, and the book remains one of the best in its field.

 

[Smoke]

People are grumbling because the money ran out.

I don't think so. The German economy is in better shape than most.

Are these guys assimilated into mainstream German culture?

Do they speak German? Do they live among the general population?

 

[Smoke]

I am grateful for multiculturalism. It's done more good than bad.

It depends what you mean. It's one thing to practice a different religion or cook traditional dishes from "the old country," but when all is said and done you have to be able to get out and function in the society you live in.

 

[Yona]

Why is it anytime Europe is in trouble people blame immigrants or 'the others' aka Jews?

 

[Caladan]

Why is it anytime Europe is in trouble people blame immigrants or 'the others' aka Jews?

This thread is about different immigrants, radically different than Europe's Jews. plus, the Jews were not immigrants in Europe.

 

[Yona]

This thread is about different immigrants, radically different than Europe's Jews. plus, the Jews were not immigrants in Europe.

I know this, I am making an example.

 

[Smoke]

Why is it anytime Europe is in trouble people blame immigrants or 'the others' aka Jews?

In this case the trouble is specifically the failure of immigrants to integrate with German society.

 

[Father Heathen]

Multiculturalism only works when the cultures that intermingle are actually compatible and hold respect and tolerance for each other. Some cultures can compliment each other rather swimmingly, while others mix as well as water and gasoline. Of course, some countries just want the cheap labor so they try hammering a square peg into a round hole.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why is it anytime Europe is in trouble people blame immigrants or 'the others' aka Jews?

You don't think culture clash can cause issues?

 

[Sunstone]

In practice, European multiculturalism seems to have created an underclass of second-ranked citizens.

 

[kai]

In practice, European multiculturalism seems to have created an underclass of second-ranked citizens.

I dont think its created an under class of second-ranked citizens, its as if they are not citizens at all but colonists.

 

[Smoke]

The hysterical fear of the alien invading from within our own boundaries is at the heart of this type of rhetoric.
If you approach the situation like this you have liquid A and you add liquid b

1.You can theoretically add enough liquid b to liquid A so that to all intents and purposes liquid A becomes liquid b

2.You can add so little of liquid B to liquid A that to all intents and purposes Liquid A is unchanged

3. Both liquids will interact and form a third liquid.

Assimilation arguments are predicated on only one of these being tolerable.

Most people in the West would agree that only one of these is tolerable.

My impression was that Nazi Germany wanted to remove multiculturalism in order to "strengthen" Arian culture.

Nah. German Jews were highly assimilated, if that's even the word. Jews had lived in Germany since way before the year 1000 -- way before there was any such thing as Germany. They were for the most part fully integrated into German society. They just practiced a different religion. Sometimes not even that.

 

[Sunstone]

I dont think its created an under class of second-ranked citizens, its as if they are not citizens at all but colonists.

What's the difference in any day to day living?