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Anger is sweeping America!

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
Anger is sweeping American rich
By PAUL KRUGMAN
NEW YORK TIMES
Sept. 20, 2010, 7:38PM

Anger is sweeping America. True, this white-hot rage is a minority phenomenon, not something that characterizes most of our fellow citizens. But the angry minority is angry indeed, consisting of people who feel that things to which they are entitled are being taken away. And they're out for revenge.

No, I'm not talking about the tea partiers. I'm talking about the rich.

These are terrible times for many people in this country. Poverty, especially acute poverty, has soared in the economic slump; millions of people have lost their homes. Young people can't find jobs; laid-off 50-somethings fear that they'll never work again.

Yet if you want to find real political rage — the kind of rage that makes people compare President Obama to Hitler, or accuse him of treason — you won't find it among these suffering Americans. You'll find it instead among the very privileged, people who don't have to worry about losing their jobs, their homes, or their health insurance, but who are outraged, outraged, at the thought of paying modestly higher taxes.

The rage of the rich has been building ever since Obama took office. At first, however, it was largely confined to Wall Street. Thus when New York magazine published an article titled "The Wail Of the 1%," it was talking about financial wheeler-dealers whose firms had been bailed out with taxpayer funds, but were furious at suggestions that the price of these bailouts should include temporary limits on bonuses.

When the billionaire Stephen Schwarzman compared an Obama proposal to the Nazi invasion of Poland, the proposal in question would have closed a tax loophole that specifically benefits fund managers like him.

Now, however, as decision time looms for the fate of the Bush tax cuts — will top tax rates go back to Clinton-era levels? — the rage of the rich has broadened, and also in some ways changed its character.

For one thing, craziness has gone mainstream. It's one thing when a billionaire rants at a dinner event. It's another when Forbes magazine runs a cover story alleging that the president of the United States is deliberately trying to bring America down as part of his Kenyan, "anti-colonialist" agenda, that "the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s." When it comes to defending the interests of the rich, it seems, the normal rules of civilized (and rational) discourse no longer apply.

At the same time, self-pity among the privileged has become acceptable, even fashionable.

Paul Krugman: Anger is sweeping American rich | Viewpoints, Outlook | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
 

Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
The alternative is that nothing changes, the gap between the poor and the rich widens, and the poor become more numerous. As mad as they are now, I'd imagine that the rich would be even more angry if poor people eventually get disgusted enough to stage a French revolution style uprising.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I just don't see the same thing Krugman does. Anger is sweeping the country, but it's among ordinary small business owners I know.
We see governmental incompetence with a frosting of corruption becoming far worse than it was even under Bush.
 

Engyo

Prince of Dorkness!
Yah, you betcha! It got worse in the last 2 years.
OK, I misphrased my question: Does that EVER get any better? I can't seem to remember a time when it did. And when we think it does, we find unintended consequences like bubble economies that burst painfully.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Anger is sweeping American rich
By PAUL KRUGMAN
NEW YORK TIMES
Sept. 20, 2010, 7:38PM

Anger is sweeping America. True, this white-hot rage is a minority phenomenon, not something that characterizes most of our fellow citizens. But the angry minority is angry indeed, consisting of people who feel that things to which they are entitled are being taken away. And they're out for revenge.

No, I'm not talking about the tea partiers. I'm talking about the rich.

These are terrible times for many people in this country. Poverty, especially acute poverty, has soared in the economic slump; millions of people have lost their homes. Young people can't find jobs; laid-off 50-somethings fear that they'll never work again.

Yet if you want to find real political rage — the kind of rage that makes people compare President Obama to Hitler, or accuse him of treason — you won't find it among these suffering Americans. You'll find it instead among the very privileged, people who don't have to worry about losing their jobs, their homes, or their health insurance, but who are outraged, outraged, at the thought of paying modestly higher taxes.

The rage of the rich has been building ever since Obama took office. At first, however, it was largely confined to Wall Street. Thus when New York magazine published an article titled "The Wail Of the 1%," it was talking about financial wheeler-dealers whose firms had been bailed out with taxpayer funds, but were furious at suggestions that the price of these bailouts should include temporary limits on bonuses.

When the billionaire Stephen Schwarzman compared an Obama proposal to the Nazi invasion of Poland, the proposal in question would have closed a tax loophole that specifically benefits fund managers like him.

Now, however, as decision time looms for the fate of the Bush tax cuts — will top tax rates go back to Clinton-era levels? — the rage of the rich has broadened, and also in some ways changed its character.

For one thing, craziness has gone mainstream. It's one thing when a billionaire rants at a dinner event. It's another when Forbes magazine runs a cover story alleging that the president of the United States is deliberately trying to bring America down as part of his Kenyan, "anti-colonialist" agenda, that "the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s." When it comes to defending the interests of the rich, it seems, the normal rules of civilized (and rational) discourse no longer apply.

At the same time, self-pity among the privileged has become acceptable, even fashionable.

Paul Krugman: Anger is sweeping American rich | Viewpoints, Outlook | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

You noticed this as well....?

I can't even talk about my income and situation without being attacked.
 

Smoke

Done here.
We see governmental incompetence with a frosting of corruption becoming far worse than it was even under Bush.

Either you've deliberately overlooked the extent of incompetence and corruption under Bush, or you're wearing your tinfoil hat a bit too tight.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry I can't go deeper into this discussion, it just makes my skin crawl. All I can say is the U.S. is overrated to sit here and say that people get to choose their opportunities and education.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I'm sorry I can't go deeper into this discussion, it just makes my skin crawl. All I can say is the U.S. is overrated to sit here and say that people get to choose their opportunities and education.

Are you saying that Americans can't choose their opportunities and education? [... if so, I agree]
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Either you've deliberately overlooked the extent of incompetence and corruption under Bush, or you're wearing your tinfoil hat a bit too tight.
That's aluminum foil, buster!
I forgive you lefties for casting a blind eye towards Obama's boobfoolery. Sympathy is
a dangerous emotion...I find it useful to despise everyone, including Libertarians.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
That's aluminum foil, buster!
I forgive you lefties for casting a blind eye towards Obama's boobfoolery. Sympathy is
a dangerous emotion...I find it useful to despise everyone, including Libertarians.

That's cool. We can just cram you into the football and relentlessly kick fieldgoals.
 

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
The wealthy have always felt this way, have they not? Even when they had slaves picking their cotton and preparing their meals I'm sure they thought they were being gypped out of something. This is thge very nature of greed.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
That's aluminum foil, buster!
I forgive you lefties for casting a blind eye towards Obama's boobfoolery. Sympathy is
a dangerous emotion...I find it useful to despise everyone, including Libertarians.

Why do you assume he's casting a blind eye? I don't think anyone's denying there's a bunch of nonsense going on under Obama, but calling it worse than Bush's terms is a bit much.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
As usual, Krugman nailed it. Goofball extremism has made it into the mainstream. We now see well-off people complaining bitterly about having to cut back on their fancy cars and being almost unable to pay the mortgage on the overbloated castle without cutting back on trips to the gourmet food section. If these people don't buy luxury goods, then all the poor people whose role it is to manufacture them will lose their jobs. Never mind the folks who manufacture cheap goods for the less deserving people. Is there no justice? :sarcastic

The bizarre thing is that a lot of people who will never achieve incomes over $100K or get a job manufacturing yachts have been drinking the kool-aid while listening to the hatemongers. They seem to think that their own lot will be better if we can just find it in our hearts to treat the well-off a little better.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The bizarre thing is that a lot of people who will never achieve incomes over $100K or get a job manufacturing yachts have been drinking the kool-aid while listening to the hatemongers. They seem to think that their own lot will be better if we can just find it in our hearts to treat the well-off a little better.

Perhaps it gives them a false feeling of empowerment to identify with the uber rich.
 

LittlePinky82

Well-Known Member
The wealthy have always felt this way, have they not? Even when they had slaves picking their cotton and preparing their meals I'm sure they thought they were being gypped out of something. This is thge very nature of greed.

Of course. During one of FDR's term a whole lot of them planned a coup because they didn't like what he was doing for people. Thankfully they weren't very smart and went to the wrong man for help.
 
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