Angry Atheist Has Her Say

[Wotan]

Interesting blog here. Long, but she did say it was her personal rant.

I though she was dead ON. And RIGHT to be angry.

 

[jmvizanko]

//Are you really looking at all of this $hi+ I'm talking about, a millennia-old history of abuse and injustice, deceit and willful ignorance -- and then on the other hand, looking at a couple of years of atheists being snarky on the Internet -- and seeing the two as somehow equivalent? Or worse, seeing the snarky atheists as the greater problem?

If you're doing that, then with all due respect, you can bl*w me.//

LMAO!

 

[Smoke]

I'm angry at preachers who tell women in their flock to submit to their husbands because it's the will of God, even when their husbands are beating them within an inch of their lives.

I have actually heard a priest (not my old priest, but another one) say that a woman should stay with an abusive husband, and if he kills her, she'll be a martyr.

 

[Sunstone]

I have actually heard a priest (not my old priest, but another one) say that a woman should stay with an abusive husband, and if he kills her, she'll be a martyr.

How touching!

 

[Reverend Rick]

I have actually heard a priest (not my old priest, but another one) say that a woman should stay with an abusive husband, and if he kills her, she'll be a martyr.

The women in my family will bury their abusive husbands the day that happens.

I am the leader of my family. That means I put myself last.

 

[ChristineES]

A preacher I heard once said that a man who abuses his wife should leave him, that it was the same as committing adultery- the breaking of vows.

 

[jmvizanko]

A preacher I heard once said that a man who abuses his wife should leave him, that it was the same as committing adultery- the breaking of vows.

That's not what Jesus said though. Marriage is forever and divorce is the devil yada yada...

 

[ninerbuff]

I have actually heard a priest (not my old priest, but another one) say that a woman should stay with an abusive husband, and if he kills her, she'll be a martyr.

I got a better one: a male used his wife's business (daycare) to molest children. He was caught and put in prison. Her church expelled him, but she is FORBIDDEN to divorce him. She lost everything and because of him is still being pursued by the parents of the molested children for any money that she makes. But the church says everything will be fine as long as she believes in her lord jesus christ. Nice huh?

 

[ChristineES]

Jesus said not to divorce, but I doubt seriously that He would want us to stay in an abusive relationship. Sometimes we have to read between the lines. And other times we need have some common sense.

 

[Sunstone]

There are so many things for legitimate anger in this world. Who has the time?

 

[Madhuri]

Jesus said not to divorce, but I doubt seriously that He would want us to stay in an abusive relationship. Sometimes we have to read between the lines. And other times we need have some common sense.

It seems to me that something like this would not even be mentioned if it wasn't important. If it were ok to leave a marriage under certain conditions, it seems very odd to me that it would be left out of the text.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Nice blog! As former military. Reading up on some of the stuff going on in the military right now with religious bias and abuse of enlistees seriously ****** me off.

 

[ChristineES]

It seems to me that something like this would not even be mentioned if it wasn't important. If it were ok to leave a marriage under certain conditions, it seems very odd to me that it would be left out of the text.

You would think.
But sometimes I believe we have to remember who He was speaking to. He wasn't speaking to us, but to people who lived 2,000 years ago. While abuse of a spouse would be just as bad then as now, women in those days had no rights. Or maybe He did say but it was left out (I am reaching there, I know). I am reasonably sure that Jesus said more things than what was written down. And there are Gospels that were left out of the Bible, as well.

 

[Madhuri]

You would think.
But sometimes I believe we have to remember who He was speaking to. He wasn't speaking to us, but to people who lived 2,000 years ago. While abuse of a spouse would be just as bad then as now, women in those days had no rights. Or maybe He did say but it was left out (I am reaching there, I know). I am reasonably sure that Jesus said more things than what was written down. And there are Gospels that were left out of the Bible, as well.

I think your last point is the most likely.
But I want to point out, the roles of men and women were certainly influenced by the contents of scripture. If Jesus had given women more rights then they would have had more rights.

 

[Father Heathen]

It seems to me that something like this would not even be mentioned if it wasn't important. If it were ok to leave a marriage under certain conditions, it seems very odd to me that it would be left out of the text.

Well, not too odd since we're talking about ancient societies that were rather primitive and savage. What is odd, however, is that we still have people trying to drag this sort of garbage into the modern world. Anyone who allows superstition to supersede sanity, especially when it comes to abuse, needs a good kick in the teeth.

 

[jmvizanko]

Jesus said not to divorce, but I doubt seriously that He would want us to stay in an abusive relationship. Sometimes we have to read between the lines. And other times we need have some common sense.

And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery" (Matthew 19:7-9)

You would think while he was listing exceptions he would mention abuse then. As it stands, I don't think your exception is valid according to Jesus, although its understandable why you would override his extreme stance with common sense. And there are other obvious exceptions, like severe brain damage or insanity. And personally I think its insane to think an incurably unhappy couple should have to spend decades miserable together instead of commiting "adultery" by finding somebody new to love.

 

[Man of Faith]

I tried to read it but too much cursing for me, I had to stop. I don't want to read trash like that.

 

[Wotan]

"I'm especially angry that so many believers treat prayer as a cosmic shopping list when it comes to health and illness. I'm angry that this belief leads to the revolting conclusion that God deliberately makes people sick so they’ll pray to him to get better. And I'm angry that they foist this belief on sick and dying children -- in essence teaching them that, if they don't get better, it's their fault. That they didn't pray hard enough, or they didn't pray right, or God just doesn't love them enough.

And I get angry when other believers insist that the cosmic shopping list isn't what religion and prayer are really about; that their own sophisticated theology is the true understanding of God. I get angry when believers insist that the shopping list is a straw man, an outmoded form of religion and prayer that nobody takes seriously, and it's absurd for atheists to criticize it.








And I'm angry that Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians, the ACLU, and the People For the American Way. I'm angry that the theology of a wrathful God exacting revenge against pagans and abortionists by sending radical Muslims to blow up a building full of secretaries and investment bankers... this was a theology held by a powerful, widely-respected religious leader with millions of followers.

I'm angry that, when my dad had a stroke and went into a nursing home, the staff asked my brother, "Is he a Baptist or a Catholic?" And I'm not just angry on behalf of my atheist dad. I'm angry on behalf of all the Jews, all the Buddhists, all the Muslims, all the neo-Pagans, whose families almost certainly got asked that same question. That question is enormously disrespectful, not just of my dad's atheism, but of everyone at that nursing home who wasn't a Baptist or a Catholic."






OK MoF, try those sans expletives. You got a defense for those?

 

[Man of Faith]

"I'm especially angry that so many believers treat prayer as a cosmic shopping list when it comes to health and illness. I'm angry that this belief leads to the revolting conclusion that God deliberately makes people sick so they’ll pray to him to get better. And I'm angry that they foist this belief on sick and dying children -- in essence teaching them that, if they don't get better, it's their fault. That they didn't pray hard enough, or they didn't pray right, or God just doesn't love them enough.

And I get angry when other believers insist that the cosmic shopping list isn't what religion and prayer are really about; that their own sophisticated theology is the true understanding of God. I get angry when believers insist that the shopping list is a straw man, an outmoded form of religion and prayer that nobody takes seriously, and it's absurd for atheists to criticize it.








And I'm angry that Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians, the ACLU, and the People For the American Way. I'm angry that the theology of a wrathful God exacting revenge against pagans and abortionists by sending radical Muslims to blow up a building full of secretaries and investment bankers... this was a theology held by a powerful, widely-respected religious leader with millions of followers.

I'm angry that, when my dad had a stroke and went into a nursing home, the staff asked my brother, "Is he a Baptist or a Catholic?" And I'm not just angry on behalf of my atheist dad. I'm angry on behalf of all the Jews, all the Buddhists, all the Muslims, all the neo-Pagans, whose families almost certainly got asked that same question. That question is enormously disrespectful, not just of my dad's atheism, but of everyone at that nursing home who wasn't a Baptist or a Catholic."






OK MoF, try those sans expletives. You got a defense for those?

Hey thanks for doing that. I don't have a defense for any of that because the person is just angry about everything. She is angry that prayer is wrongly used as a shopping list and angry when Christians tell her that is wrong. She is angry that there is a God that matters to people. She is angry about the history of the world and that most people in the US accept that there is a God. How can I defend that? That is like me posting a blog about being angry about Atheists. It only hurts the person that is angry. What she should do is realize that humans are more than just molecules and matter and wonder why that is. But I’m sure she would be angry that I said that.

 

[Wotan]

" I don't have a defense for any of that because the person is just angry about everything."

Nice way to avoid the point.

So I'll try (more the fool me) to get you to give rational answer to a rational question.

Do you have defense for Jerry Falwell?'s comments? If not, why not?

Do you have a defense for denying medical care to children "cause if god wants them to live they will?" If so what is it? If not, why not?