"Animals are to serve humans"

[otokage007]

I think I am ignorant in what science have to say about animals who know they gona die. But even that knowledge for animals doesn't have an effect on animals as much as on humans, killing an animal isn't same as killing a human being and that's greately due to religion being addressed to humans only and saying that animals are to serve humans.

What do you think?

Are animals a mere slaves of we humans?

Are animal rights important at all?

Discuss

 

[Madhuri]

Animals are slaves to nature, just a humans (also animals) are a slave to nature.

We all play a role in the cycle of life.

Animals rights are important if you care about minimising suffering. But if you are a selfish Pri*k, then minimising the suffering of animals won't matter at all.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Definitely not.

I am a very big supporter for animal rights.

 

[elmarna]

Animals are a facet of life serving their purpose in gods world as the delicate balance of nature continues. It is arragence on man's part if he chooses to believe they are here to serve him.
I have seen this samr line of thinking applied to a man verses a woman as well!

 

[Katzpur]

Are animals a mere slaves of we humans?

Tell that to my cat and dogs. I'm pretty sure they think it works the other way around, and it sure does seem to in my household.

Are animal rights important at all?

Are you kidding? To me, they're right up there at the top of my list of "Important Things."

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Animals are slaves to nature, just a humans (also animals) are a slave to nature.

We all play a role in the cycle of life.

Good post!

I think that since humans have the awareness of things like religion and morality, not applying to non-human beings is extremely selfish.

Awareness is key. We cannot go through life without making another being suffer or the taking of life. Even in the extreme case of certain Jains and Hindus who sweep the ground where they walk to prevent stepping on living things, they cannot prevent their bodies from destroying and breaking down living microbes. Death and suffering is a major part of life, but being aware of one's interactions allows a person to conduct oneself in a compassionate way, and to move on when something has happened that cannot be undone.

The religious view that only humans are allowed the gift of mercy is selfish and inhumane, and the scientific view that human reward is worth non-consensual experimentation is cold and inhumane.

 

[outhouse]

Are animals a mere slaves of we humans?

Are animal rights important at all?

depends on how hungry you are. lol



I think madhuri summed it up well

 

[otokage007]

Tell that to my cat and dogs. I'm pretty sure they think it works the other way around, and it sure does seem to in my household.

Indeed. It's also that way in my house lol.

 

[Acim]

What do you think?

Are animals a mere slaves of we humans?

Are animal rights important at all?

Discuss

Depends on the animal.

Anyone here have problems killing bugs?

No?

Some animals (organisms) are slaves to humans.

Some we give 'more credit' to and think anyone that would ever hurt any of them for any reason is just wrong. How dare you.

Killing animals so you can eat. How dare you.

But killing plants so we can eat is very good. It is 'natural.'

 

[outhouse]

Killing animals so you can eat. How dare you.

that would be on a BBQ, fried, and or smothered in gravy



You are a omnivore, killing and eating animals is your nature despite what you think about it.

 

[otokage007]

Depends on the animal.

Anyone here have problems killing bugs?

I have. However, if I kill a blood-sucker bug I do it for defense and as a consecuence of two species fighting for survival. I have found a lot of insects in my house and I always try to release them unharmed.

Some we give 'more credit' to and think anyone that would ever hurt any of them for any reason is just wrong. How dare you.

I agree, but I think you would agree if I said that is understandable to feel empathy to those who are similar to you. You can somehow imagine how a monkey or a cat can feel when exposed to painful experiences. However, it is very dificult to imagine how an insect would feel, and I think that's the main reason why people have not much respect towards bugs.

Killing animals so you can eat. How dare you.

I need to eat, I feel sorry for the animals but I can't help it.

But killing plants so we can eat is very good. It is 'natural.'

Well, plants have no feelings or nervous system. It isn't very different for them to be alive or dead as they can't suffer. Also, again we need to eat to survive, it's not something we can stop. However, even if I think this way, two years ago I found that in the park where I usually walked with my dog, the biggest tree had been cut. I can't explain why, but I felt kind of sad.

 

[logician]

What do you think?

Are animals a mere slaves of we humans?

Are animal rights important at all?

Discuss

Considering that homo sapiens has started the sixth great extinction, where there will be a > 50 percent reduction in number of species not far in the future, I would say that for homo sapeins as a species that we care nothing for the rights of animals.

 

[Acim]

Well, plants have no feelings or nervous system. It isn't very different for them to be alive or dead as they can't suffer. Also, again we need to eat to survive, it's not something we can stop. However, even if I think this way, two years ago I found that in the park where I usually walked with my dog, the biggest tree had been cut. I can't explain why, but I felt kind of sad.

A) I'll eat plant or animal.
B) I rarely do the killing myself, including plants.
C) From philosophical perspective, it doesn't matter (to me) if suffering is involved or not. And to whatever degree it might be, I'm sure we humans can think of ways to minimize that. Make it a swift death.
D) You seem to mostly agree with where I'm coming from. I think it depends on the animal / organism as to how much we care whether it is to serve human needs or is something that deserves own rights.

On a related note, it is still weird to me how bugs (mosquitoes) are one of the only animals I can think of that can eat us in front of us, and we generally don't do much about it. If rabbits gnawed on us, in front of us, I don't think you'd see a rabbit anywhere within a 10 miles radius of where humans congregate. But bugs we let do just this. Sometimes I really think we are serving them. Seriously.

 

[Me Myself]

I need to eat, I feel sorry for the animals but I can't help it.

Vegetarians eat.

My blood exams show that I am also quite healthy mind you.

 

[otokage007]

Vegetarians eat.

My blood exams show that I am also quite healthy mind you.

Can you find your food in common supermarkets?

Is your food as cheap as the non-vegetarians food?

Don't you have to carefuly control your diet so you can be as healthy as a non-vegetarian?

I already know the answers, but maybe where you live it is easier and cheaper to be a vegetarian so it's ok.

 

[lunakilo]

B) I rarely do the killing myself, including plants.

What is your point here?
If I ask my brother to kill my neighbor then it would be ok because I don't do the killing myself?!
Or did I miss the point?

D) You seem to mostly agree with where I'm coming from. I think it depends on the animal / organism as to how much we care whether it is to serve human needs or is something that deserves own rights.

I am sitting here thinking; what gives someone the right to live?

On a related note, it is still weird to me how bugs (mosquitoes) are one of the only animals I can think of that can eat us in front of us, and we generally don't do much about it. If rabbits gnawed on us, in front of us, I don't think you'd see a rabbit anywhere within a 10 miles radius of where humans congregate. But bugs we let do just this. Sometimes I really think we are serving them. Seriously.

 

[fantome profane]

Can you find your food in common supermarkets?

Is your food as cheap as the non-vegetarians food?

Don't you have to carefuly control your diet so you can be as healthy as a non-vegetarian?

I already know the answers, but maybe where you live it is easier and cheaper to be a vegetarian so it's ok.

Are you perhaps confused about the difference between vegans and vegetarians? I am a vegetarian and my food budget is about a third of what my omnivorous friend fork out. No great effort, no specialty shops, no nutritional supplements, I just don’t eat meat. Vegetarians can spend a lot of money on food if they choose to go for those specialty shops and those special prepared foods, but I assure you it is hardly necessary. If I went vegan then some more effort and expense would be required.

 

[McBell]

Depends on the animal.

I agree.
Though I would make it a point to say INDIVIDUAL animal so not to make it seem to be species applied.

Anyone here have problems killing bugs?

Nope.

Some animals (organisms) are slaves to humans.

Agreed.

Some we give 'more credit' to and think anyone that would ever hurt any of them for any reason is just wrong. How dare you.

I agree.
But again, only on an individual level.

Killing animals so you can eat. How dare you.

I not only dare, I flat out go out and do it.

But killing plants so we can eat is very good. It is 'natural.'

I never did understand why killing plants is just fine bu killing animals is somehow a big no no.

 

[otokage007]

Are you perhaps confused about the difference between vegans and vegetarians? I am a vegetarian and my food budget is about a third of what my omnivorous friend fork out. No great effort, no specialty shops, no nutritional supplements, I just don’t eat meat. Vegetarians can spend a lot of money on food if they choose to go for those specialty shops and those special prepared foods, but I assure you it is hardly necessary. If I went vegan then some more effort and expense would be required.

I see, thanks for the explanation. In spanish there's no term such as "vegan" so we also call them vegetarians

 

[Me Myself]

Yes, humans should serve each other