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**Animals**

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
What does everyone think happens to our animal babies after death? Do they have a soul or spirit? Do you think they end up in the same place?

This was a short topic in my philosophy class... but my professor was an arrogant one. I don't remember where he got the basis for his stance... but he said they have no soul. :( i think it had something to do with Aristotles levels of being or levels of something...
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How did he come to the conclusion that animals have no souls, and what evidence did he cite for humans posessing them?

At what point in hominid evolution did we aquire souls, and by what mechanism?
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
I'm not for certian now, but I believe it had something to do with this figure:

Hegel and Plato

Somehow he deduced from that or a similar model that animals were not a part of it, or were missing something that humans posess. Therefore, we move on when we die, and our pets just... turn to dirt basically.

Sorry, I meant soul/ spirit/ essence. Whatever makes us sentient and intellegent and unique.

The professor was purposefully trying to make us mad. Before he went on this rant, he went on a rant argueing for his right to beat his cat. But he was serious about the turn to dirt thing. It was about 2 years ago, so I don't think I still have notes from there.
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
I did a thread on this a while ago. Perhaps some of the answers may help.

NO WAY!! This is making me mad!! I used the search engine to try and find one before I made this one!!!:149: The search engine stinks!!

Thanks for the link though!! I'm checkin it out...

One of these days I'll have an epiphany (...and if I'm not dead from it), then post something unique! :D
 

CelticRavenwolf

She Who is Lost
I don't believe their souls are any different from ours. In fact, I believe they are the exact same. All souls reincarnate between all animals - humans included.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
What does everyone think happens to our animal babies after death? Do they have a soul or spirit? Do you think they end up in the same place?
Well, you probably already know what I think, but just for the record... Of course I believe they have a spirit. I believe that when I get to Heaven, I will be bombarded with my furry friends!
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
What does everyone think happens to our animal babies after death? Do they have a soul or spirit? Do you think they end up in the same place?

This was a short topic in my philosophy class... but my professor was an arrogant one. I don't remember where he got the basis for his stance... but he said they have no soul. :( i think it had something to do with Aristotles levels of being or levels of something...

I have no "answer" to offer...but I would say that I have personally "known" some (non-human) "animals" that have evinced unconditional love, loyalty, fealty,"joie de vie", and the very best sort of "family values"...that remain to be eclipsed by any human being I have ever "known".

If an "afterlife" were any sort of a viable concept at all, I would confidently petition for more dogs, cats, and birds to attain that "next level" than most humans of my own personal acquaintance.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
If an "afterlife" were any sort of a viable concept at all, I would confidently petition for more dogs, cats, and birds to attain that "next level" than most humans of my own personal acquaintance.
I'm with you on that!
 

PureX

Veteran Member
What does everyone think happens to our animal babies after death? Do they have a soul or spirit? Do you think they end up in the same place?

This was a short topic in my philosophy class... but my professor was an arrogant one. I don't remember where he got the basis for his stance... but he said they have no soul. :( i think it had something to do with Aristotles levels of being or levels of something...
Well, it depends on one's definition of "soul", I think. Your professor's argument was probably based on a definition of soul that requires a level of self-consciousness that animals don't have. They're self-conscious, but not to the degree that we humans are; as evidenced by their general lack of shame, quilt, empathy, and the like. And the definition of soul usually includes this higher degree of self-awareness.

But does it?

What is YOUR definition of a "soul"? Once you decide on that, you can decide if such a soul could reside in other animals besides humans. I lived for many years with a pet beagle, and it would be hard for me to reasonably argue with myself that he did not have "soul". It's true that he lacked a degree of intellect, but I'd be hard pressed to claim that he wasn't as self-aware as any human. I think he did feel empathy, shame, guilt, and things like that. Maybe not to the degree that we do, and certainly, without language, he didn't have a lot of ways of expressing it, but I'd have to say that I think he did feel those things.

Also, I was there when he was 'put down', and I distinctly felt the lack or loss of something intangible as he passed. The difference was very clear, "he" was there one moment, and he was not there the next. And that distinction was a clear as day.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
What is the difference between a soul and a spirit?
I think the words are often used interchangeably, so I don't get too awfully hung up on which one someone prefers. I believe that, technically speaking, a "soul" is the entity that results when a spirit resides within a physical body. In other words, when God put Adam's spirit into His body, he became "a living soul."
 
Animals must have souls, even animals have brains to commit acts such as we do. They have emotions like we do. They can do good or bad as we do.
 
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