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Anocracy is the most immediate threat to the U.S.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Opinion: Why should we worry that the U.S. could become an ‘anocracy’ again? Because of the threat of civil war.
By Barbara F. Walter
January 24, 2022
Barbara F. Walter, the Rohr Professor of International Relations at the School of Global Policy & Strategy at the University of California at San Diego, is the author of “How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them.”

I will never forget interviewing Berina Kovac, who had lived in multiethnic Sarajevo in the early 1990s, when Bosnia and Herzegovina was moving toward independence from Yugoslavia. Though militias had begun to organize in the hills and former colleagues increasingly targeted her with ethnic slurs, Kovac continued to go to work, attend weddings and take weekend holidays, trusting that everything would work out. One evening in March 1992, she was at home with her infant son when the power went out. “And then, suddenly,” Kovac told me, “you started to hear machine guns.”

The civil war that followed, however, was not surprising to those who had been following the data. A year and a half earlier, the CIA had issued a report predicting that Yugoslavia would fall apart within two years and that civil war was a distinct possibility. One reason, the agency noted, was that citizens were organizing themselves into rival ethnic factions — which tends to occur in societies that political scientists call “anocracies.”

Anocracies are neither fully democratic nor fully autocratic; their citizens enjoy some elements of democratic rule (e.g., elections), while other rights (e.g., due process or freedom of the press) suffer. In the last weeks of Donald Trump’s presidency, the respected Center for Systemic Peace (CSP) calculated that, for the first time in more than two centuries, the United States no longer qualified as a democracy. It had, over the preceding five years, become an anocracy.

That rating improved to “democracy” just this month, but to put it in perspective, the current U.S. score is the same as Brazil’s 2018 rating (the most recent available for that country), which was two points below Switzerland’s.

This might come as a shock to many Americans. While we were going about our daily lives, our executive branch continued its decades-long accumulation of power to the point where a sitting president refused to accept an election result. Democratic backsliding had happened incrementally, like the erosion of a shoreline. The process is especially difficult for Americans to recognize because exceptionalism is baked into our founding myth: We are a city on a hill. We are different.

Or not. The CSP ranking, called the “Polity Score” — well regarded partly because of its historical and geographic scope — uses various criteria to place governments on a scale ranging from -10 (most autocratic) to +10 (most democratic). Anocracies are in the middle, between -5 and +5. The United States’ Polity Score dropped from +10 in 2015 to +5 — an anocracy — for 2020.

Our political tailspin began in 2016, when the CSP cited international observers’ conclusion that the election was not entirely fair: Election rules had been changed to serve partisan interests, voting rights were infringed, and a foreign country (Russia) interfered on behalf of a candidate (Trump). The score dropped again in 2019, after the president refused to cooperate with Congress and again at the end of Trump’s term, when he sowed distrust in the election and attempted to halt the peaceful transfer of power.

Joe Biden’s peaceful inauguration, and the reinstated restraints on presidential power, led the CSP to bump up the United States’ polity score, from +5 to +8. That is certainly good news. But the fact that it even dipped into the anocracy zone is deeply alarming.

Most Americans don’t seem particularly concerned. They have faith in our long-standing institutions, and the threat of authoritarianism seems distant.

“The first is a variable… called ‘anocracy’… countries that are neither fully democratic or fully autocratic… The second factor was… ‘ethnic factionalism’… These two factors are emerging in my own country… people don’t know what these warning signs are.” (Washington Post Live)
But anocracy, not autocracy, is our most immediate threat. Anocracy is usually transitional — a repressive government allows reforms, or a democracy begins to unravel — and it is volatile. When a country moves into the anocracy zone, the risk of political violence reaches its peak; citizens feel uncertain about their government’s power and legitimacy. Compared with democracies, anocracies with more democratic than autocratic features are three times more likely to experience political instability or civil war.

I find our complacency quite troubling. Over the course of 30 years, I have interviewed numerous people who have lived through civil wars in places such as Baghdad and Ethiopia, and none of them saw war coming. All were surprised.

If experts like those who prepared the CIA report on Yugoslavia had assessed the United States at the end of Trump’s term, they would almost certainly have deemed us at “high risk” of instability and political violence. The United States was an anocracy, the CSP found, with parties increasingly organized around identity-based grievances. These underlying forces are not going away. We could easily slip back into anocracy.

This is what average citizens should be thinking about when they hear that America’s democracy is declining. They are being led, unaware, into a downward spiral of instability, in which extremists and opportunists spread fear — and then grab power by force.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I say that nuclear war is the greatest immediate threat.
While we've managed to avoid it, we've still come very
close on multiple occasions, usually by accident.
This is a far far worse result than anocracy or even
all out fascism.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
I frequently find myself, as a relatively politically engaged voter, torn between does this idea of anocracy (which has been repeated again and again in recent years by historians, researchers and political analysts) sound like a clear view of present danger or like a Chicken Little view and I don't know how much to be of the mind that our solid institutions will save us or the American 'experiment,' with all its faults and failings, is over and we don't realize we're watching it crumble. It sounds too dramatic somehow, and yet Walter talks about how it's a surprise to the citizens involved.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I think that certain countries like Scandinavian countries or the United States themselves ignore what a real freedom of speech is.

A real freedom of speech is what I have in my country.
In my country I can diss any ideology, religion without being accused of racism.
There is not even the term political correctness as juridical term.
Or political, social term. It doesnt exist.
On TV politicians and commentators let themselves go...because nothing will happen to them.


On Twitter or on Facebook there is dictatorial notion of freedom of speech. A fake freedom of speech.

So...back to the topic...are the US a democracy?
No...they are too passive citizens.
They never question the state powers.
They never question the authorities of their single state.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Opinion: Why should we worry that the U.S. could become an ‘anocracy’ again? Because of the threat of civil war.
By Barbara F. Walter
January 24, 2022
Barbara F. Walter, the Rohr Professor of International Relations at the School of Global Policy & Strategy at the University of California at San Diego, is the author of “How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them.”

I will never forget interviewing Berina Kovac, who had lived in multiethnic Sarajevo in the early 1990s, when Bosnia and Herzegovina was moving toward independence from Yugoslavia. Though militias had begun to organize in the hills and former colleagues increasingly targeted her with ethnic slurs, Kovac continued to go to work, attend weddings and take weekend holidays, trusting that everything would work out. One evening in March 1992, she was at home with her infant son when the power went out. “And then, suddenly,” Kovac told me, “you started to hear machine guns.”

The civil war that followed, however, was not surprising to those who had been following the data. A year and a half earlier, the CIA had issued a report predicting that Yugoslavia would fall apart within two years and that civil war was a distinct possibility. One reason, the agency noted, was that citizens were organizing themselves into rival ethnic factions — which tends to occur in societies that political scientists call “anocracies.”

Anocracies are neither fully democratic nor fully autocratic; their citizens enjoy some elements of democratic rule (e.g., elections), while other rights (e.g., due process or freedom of the press) suffer. In the last weeks of Donald Trump’s presidency, the respected Center for Systemic Peace (CSP) calculated that, for the first time in more than two centuries, the United States no longer qualified as a democracy. It had, over the preceding five years, become an anocracy.

That rating improved to “democracy” just this month, but to put it in perspective, the current U.S. score is the same as Brazil’s 2018 rating (the most recent available for that country), which was two points below Switzerland’s.

This might come as a shock to many Americans. While we were going about our daily lives, our executive branch continued its decades-long accumulation of power to the point where a sitting president refused to accept an election result. Democratic backsliding had happened incrementally, like the erosion of a shoreline. The process is especially difficult for Americans to recognize because exceptionalism is baked into our founding myth: We are a city on a hill. We are different.

Or not. The CSP ranking, called the “Polity Score” — well regarded partly because of its historical and geographic scope — uses various criteria to place governments on a scale ranging from -10 (most autocratic) to +10 (most democratic). Anocracies are in the middle, between -5 and +5. The United States’ Polity Score dropped from +10 in 2015 to +5 — an anocracy — for 2020.

Our political tailspin began in 2016, when the CSP cited international observers’ conclusion that the election was not entirely fair: Election rules had been changed to serve partisan interests, voting rights were infringed, and a foreign country (Russia) interfered on behalf of a candidate (Trump). The score dropped again in 2019, after the president refused to cooperate with Congress and again at the end of Trump’s term, when he sowed distrust in the election and attempted to halt the peaceful transfer of power.

Joe Biden’s peaceful inauguration, and the reinstated restraints on presidential power, led the CSP to bump up the United States’ polity score, from +5 to +8. That is certainly good news. But the fact that it even dipped into the anocracy zone is deeply alarming.

Most Americans don’t seem particularly concerned. They have faith in our long-standing institutions, and the threat of authoritarianism seems distant.

“The first is a variable… called ‘anocracy’… countries that are neither fully democratic or fully autocratic… The second factor was… ‘ethnic factionalism’… These two factors are emerging in my own country… people don’t know what these warning signs are.” (Washington Post Live)
But anocracy, not autocracy, is our most immediate threat. Anocracy is usually transitional — a repressive government allows reforms, or a democracy begins to unravel — and it is volatile. When a country moves into the anocracy zone, the risk of political violence reaches its peak; citizens feel uncertain about their government’s power and legitimacy. Compared with democracies, anocracies with more democratic than autocratic features are three times more likely to experience political instability or civil war.

I find our complacency quite troubling. Over the course of 30 years, I have interviewed numerous people who have lived through civil wars in places such as Baghdad and Ethiopia, and none of them saw war coming. All were surprised.

If experts like those who prepared the CIA report on Yugoslavia had assessed the United States at the end of Trump’s term, they would almost certainly have deemed us at “high risk” of instability and political violence. The United States was an anocracy, the CSP found, with parties increasingly organized around identity-based grievances. These underlying forces are not going away. We could easily slip back into anocracy.

This is what average citizens should be thinking about when they hear that America’s democracy is declining. They are being led, unaware, into a downward spiral of instability, in which extremists and opportunists spread fear — and then grab power by force.
Oh I assumed you meant this sort of thing:


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:D
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Oh I assumed you meant this sort of thing:

My eyes... where's the eyewash?!

But yes, he's there the opinion piece:

"In the last weeks of Donald Trump’s presidency, the respected Center for Systemic Peace (CSP) calculated that, for the first time in more than two centuries, the United States no longer qualified as a democracy. It had, over the preceding five years, become an anocracy."
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
A real freedom of speech is what I have in my country.
In my country I can diss any ideology, religion without being accused of racism.
There is not even the term political correctness as juridical term.
Or political, social term. It doesnt exist.
On TV politicians and commentators let themselves go...because nothing will happen to them.

The term political correctness isn't a juridical term here either, but according to this metric, your country is more stable than we are at the moment...

On Twitter or on Facebook there is dictatorial notion of freedom of speech. A fake freedom of speech.

The first amendment here is a protection from government, not from private enterprise. So when an entity such as Twitter or Facebook puts certain rules of engagement into your user agreement and you agree to them when you sign up, when you break that agreement, they can ban you.

So...back to the topic...are the US a democracy?
No...they are too passive citizens.
They never question the state powers.
They never question the authorities of their single state.

Never is an overstatement, as some citizens will question, do question. However for the most part, people have no idea who represents them in government, how government works, what exactly their civil rights are beyond the 2nd. amendment or how to realize when those rights are abused. Many are passive because they are satisfied with their lives and don't care about anyone else's because individualism is so highly favored over communitarianism. And consumerism is deadening.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Opinion: Why should we worry that the U.S. could become an ‘anocracy’ again? Because of the threat of civil war.
By Barbara F. Walter
January 24, 2022
Barbara F. Walter, the Rohr Professor of International Relations at the School of Global Policy & Strategy at the University of California at San Diego, is the author of “How Civil Wars Start: And How to Stop Them.”

I will never forget interviewing Berina Kovac, who had lived in multiethnic Sarajevo in the early 1990s, when Bosnia and Herzegovina was moving toward independence from Yugoslavia. Though militias had begun to organize in the hills and former colleagues increasingly targeted her with ethnic slurs, Kovac continued to go to work, attend weddings and take weekend holidays, trusting that everything would work out. One evening in March 1992, she was at home with her infant son when the power went out. “And then, suddenly,” Kovac told me, “you started to hear machine guns.”

The civil war that followed, however, was not surprising to those who had been following the data. A year and a half earlier, the CIA had issued a report predicting that Yugoslavia would fall apart within two years and that civil war was a distinct possibility. One reason, the agency noted, was that citizens were organizing themselves into rival ethnic factions — which tends to occur in societies that political scientists call “anocracies.”

Anocracies are neither fully democratic nor fully autocratic; their citizens enjoy some elements of democratic rule (e.g., elections), while other rights (e.g., due process or freedom of the press) suffer. In the last weeks of Donald Trump’s presidency, the respected Center for Systemic Peace (CSP) calculated that, for the first time in more than two centuries, the United States no longer qualified as a democracy. It had, over the preceding five years, become an anocracy.

That rating improved to “democracy” just this month, but to put it in perspective, the current U.S. score is the same as Brazil’s 2018 rating (the most recent available for that country), which was two points below Switzerland’s.

This might come as a shock to many Americans. While we were going about our daily lives, our executive branch continued its decades-long accumulation of power to the point where a sitting president refused to accept an election result. Democratic backsliding had happened incrementally, like the erosion of a shoreline. The process is especially difficult for Americans to recognize because exceptionalism is baked into our founding myth: We are a city on a hill. We are different.

Or not. The CSP ranking, called the “Polity Score” — well regarded partly because of its historical and geographic scope — uses various criteria to place governments on a scale ranging from -10 (most autocratic) to +10 (most democratic). Anocracies are in the middle, between -5 and +5. The United States’ Polity Score dropped from +10 in 2015 to +5 — an anocracy — for 2020.

Our political tailspin began in 2016, when the CSP cited international observers’ conclusion that the election was not entirely fair: Election rules had been changed to serve partisan interests, voting rights were infringed, and a foreign country (Russia) interfered on behalf of a candidate (Trump). The score dropped again in 2019, after the president refused to cooperate with Congress and again at the end of Trump’s term, when he sowed distrust in the election and attempted to halt the peaceful transfer of power.

Joe Biden’s peaceful inauguration, and the reinstated restraints on presidential power, led the CSP to bump up the United States’ polity score, from +5 to +8. That is certainly good news. But the fact that it even dipped into the anocracy zone is deeply alarming.

Most Americans don’t seem particularly concerned. They have faith in our long-standing institutions, and the threat of authoritarianism seems distant.

“The first is a variable… called ‘anocracy’… countries that are neither fully democratic or fully autocratic… The second factor was… ‘ethnic factionalism’… These two factors are emerging in my own country… people don’t know what these warning signs are.” (Washington Post Live)
But anocracy, not autocracy, is our most immediate threat. Anocracy is usually transitional — a repressive government allows reforms, or a democracy begins to unravel — and it is volatile. When a country moves into the anocracy zone, the risk of political violence reaches its peak; citizens feel uncertain about their government’s power and legitimacy. Compared with democracies, anocracies with more democratic than autocratic features are three times more likely to experience political instability or civil war.

I find our complacency quite troubling. Over the course of 30 years, I have interviewed numerous people who have lived through civil wars in places such as Baghdad and Ethiopia, and none of them saw war coming. All were surprised.

If experts like those who prepared the CIA report on Yugoslavia had assessed the United States at the end of Trump’s term, they would almost certainly have deemed us at “high risk” of instability and political violence. The United States was an anocracy, the CSP found, with parties increasingly organized around identity-based grievances. These underlying forces are not going away. We could easily slip back into anocracy.

This is what average citizens should be thinking about when they hear that America’s democracy is declining. They are being led, unaware, into a downward spiral of instability, in which extremists and opportunists spread fear — and then grab power by force.

I think they are a little behind. The POTUS has been gaining power long before Trump came on the scene.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
I think they are a little behind. The POTUS has been gaining power long before Trump came on the scene.

Which she notes and is in my highlighted paragraph in the OP:

"While we were going about our daily lives, our executive branch continued its decades-long accumulation of power..."
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The first amendment here is a protection from government, not from private enterprise. So when an entity such as Twitter or Facebook puts certain rules of engagement into your user agreement and you agree to them when you sign up, when you break that agreement, they can ban you.
.
It does depend on the user's country.
Because here we have even consumers' unions which are very powerful.
And jurisprudence has showed that if these social media prevent someone from expressing their view, the judge can order this social media (FB or Twitter) to restore their account.
It has happened so many times.
I can quote the most famous one. CasaPound's case on Facebook.

This shows that these social media are American so they do base themselves upon the American notion of freedom of speech.

In my country it is an absolute concept.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Never is an overstatement, as some citizens will question, do question. However for the most part, people have no idea who represents them in government, how government works, what exactly their civil rights are beyond the 2nd. amendment or how to realize when those rights are abused. Many are passive because they are satisfied with their lives and don't care about anyone else's because individualism is so highly favored over communitarianism. And consumerism is deadening.

There are excellent attorneys in the US.
Many of us can use legal instruments to question the authorities.
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I think that opinion piece is accurate.

The right is fully engaged in true cancel culture even going to far as to cancel an anti-Nazi graphic novel, cancel the findings of science in favor of politics, cancel the right to have one's vote counted equally with other votes, impose the power of the state in a woman's choice and so forth.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I find our complacency quite troubling. Over the course of 30 years, I have interviewed numerous people who have lived through civil wars in places such as Baghdad and Ethiopia, and none of them saw war coming. All were surprised.

If experts like those who prepared the CIA report on Yugoslavia had assessed the United States at the end of Trump’s term, they would almost certainly have deemed us at “high risk” of instability and political violence. The United States was an anocracy, the CSP found, with parties increasingly organized around identity-based grievances. These underlying forces are not going away. We could easily slip back into anocracy.

This is what average citizens should be thinking about when they hear that America’s democracy is declining. They are being led, unaware, into a downward spiral of instability, in which extremists and opportunists spread fear — and then grab power by force.

I can see their point. I somewhat agree, although I don't agree where they say "for the first time in more than two centuries, the United States no longer qualified as a democracy."

So, they're saying the U.S. is less democratic than we were 50, 100, or 150 years ago? We're at greater risk for a civil war than we were when we actually had a civil war? If so, then I would question their historical perspective and how it affects their views of today.

Are we less democratic than we were during the McCarthy era? Or during the first Red Scare highlighted by the Palmer Raids? Or anything during the 19th century, at the start of which only white males who owned property could vote? They're saying we were more democratic back then, more than we are now? That doesn't seem accurate.

We never really had any kind of true democracy anyway. It's an indirect, or representative, democracy. The Founders actually feared the idea of direct democracy or giving too much power to the masses.

Rather than worry about varying degrees of democracy (which has always been a bit of an illusion anyway), they should pay closer attention to economics and resources, along with the government's increasingly hobbled ability to help the poor and working classes. The past 30-40 years have seen our government behave grossly irresponsibly, allowing our economy to go down the drain just so Wall Street hucksters and other greedheads can earn exorbitant profits, while the other 99% of the country languishes in stagnation, malaise, and angst.

If the powers that be didn't want political violence, they could have done things differently 40 years ago to avoid it. But they were myopic and foolish, thinking only of instant gratification and a quick buck, without any care or concern about the future. "Don't Worry, Be Happy" was their mantra. I myself saw hard times on the horizon that far back, as did many others who knew America was doomed but tried to maintain a face of public optimism.

But we knew. We knew our days were numbered. Frankly, I'm surprised we've last this long before falling into disarray and chaos.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think that opinion piece is accurate.

The right is fully engaged in true cancel culture even going to far as to cancel an anti-Nazi graphic novel, cancel the findings of science in favor of politics, cancel the right to have one's vote counted equally with other votes, impose the power of the state in a woman's choice and so forth.
Just like the left! How about that!

Small world.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I say that nuclear war is the greatest immediate threat.
While we've managed to avoid it, we've still come very
close on multiple occasions, usually by accident.
This is a far far worse result than anocracy or even
all out fascism.
Trump did highlight a great need to make the decision to launch one require more than one person. Any one person, that's just too much power to wield.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That 1st sentence....it hurts my eyes!
But I get what you mean, & agree.
Well, he did help us see where we have good checks and balances and decentralized power, and take a neon highlighter to this particular issue.
Or, he showed us an idiot like him can't really take over easily but he can do some incredible damage.
 
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