Another Anti-Small Business Law From The Obama Administration

[esmith]

It seems that the Obama administration is so anti-firearms that they have enacted another draconian anti-business law(?).
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/oba...ail&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-bfae738ddf-21046165

We now see the direction that the Democrats want to take.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems that the Obama administration is so anti-firearms that they have enacted another draconian anti-business law(?).
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/oba...ail&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-bfae738ddf-21046165

We now see the direction that the Democrats want to take.

We might also note that Hilda's running mate (a pretend gun enthusiast in his home state) is also anti-gun rights.

 

[Demonslayer]

It seems that the Obama administration is so anti-firearms that they have enacted another draconian anti-business law(?).

I'm a gun owner who supports some meaningful reform. This doesn't seem to be it. Charging the manufacturers of firearms a registration fee is not going to do anything to address the problems we have with gun violence, and that's all this does if I'm reading the article correctly.

 

[esmith]

I'm a gun owner who supports some meaningful reform. This doesn't seem to be it. Charging the manufacturers of firearms a registration fee is not going to do anything to address the problems we have with gun violence, and that's all this does if I'm reading the article correctly.

The main problem is defining a gunsmith as a manufacture. Idiotic.

 

[Underhill]

It seems that the Obama administration is so anti-firearms that they have enacted another draconian anti-business law(?).
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/08/oba...ail&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-bfae738ddf-21046165

We now see the direction that the Democrats want to take.

I agree it's probably not the right way to handle it. But part of the problem is gun smiths often do manufacture guns. I see it all the time. They may not be for export (I don't know why that matters), but there are lots of gunsmiths out there that will build you a custom gun and I am not talking about screwing a new stock on a rifle.

The federal government sees this as a loophole in the system.

 

[leibowde84]

The main problem is defining a gunsmith as a manufacture. Idiotic.

If a gunsmith "makes" or "builds" guns for purchase, why is it problematic to call them a manufacturer. It seems like they already do fit the bill from the meaning of the term "manufacturer". It seems to me that the change here is merely closing a loophole.

I am not knowledgeable about this subject, so I am just curious. And, I am not saying that I support the new legislation, just to be clear.

gun·smith
ˈɡənˌsmiTH/
noun

1. a person who makes, sells, and repairs small firearms.

man·u·fac·tur·er
ˌmanyəˈfak(t)SHərər/
noun

1. a person or company that makes goods for sale.

 

[tytlyf]

I see no problems if the story is true. But the source is questionable. But either way, Obama doesn't write laws, it's congress.

 

[YmirGF]

I see no problems if the story is true. But the source is questionable. But either way, Obama doesn't write laws, it's congress.

Given that the Senate and the house are currently controlled by Republicans, it's a bit weird to blame this on Obama. I'd love to blame him too, but... seriously....

 

[leibowde84]

I see no problems if the story is true. But the source is questionable. But either way, Obama doesn't write laws, it's congress.

In this case it was the Department of State and the Obama Administration. They aren't technically laws, they are guidelines. The Executive Branch is tasked with enforcing the laws passed by congress. Here, the State Department is changing the way that ITAR is enforced by changing the definition of what a gun "manufacturer" is. So, it's not congress here.

 

[leibowde84]

Given that the Senate and the house are currently controlled by Republicans, it's a bit weird to blame this on Obama. I'd love to blame him too, but... seriously....

These most recent of these efforts were issued July 22, 2016, by the Department of State as a “Guidance” on the “Applicability of the ITAR Registration Requirement to Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths.”

This document involves redefining gunsmithing activities as “manufacturing” under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and requires many gunsmiths to register with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) and pay an annual fee beginning at $2,250.

 

[tytlyf]

In this case it was the Department of State and the Obama Administration. They aren't technically laws, they are guidelines. The Executive Branch is tasked with enforcing the laws passed by congress. Here, the State Department is changing the way that ITAR is enforced by changing the definition of what a gun "manufacturer" is. So, it's not congress here.

Sounds like manufactured outrage. Need more information. The sources linked to this story aren't credible, mostly RW media outlets that are scaring people on purpose. What's the bill or law #?

 

[Underhill]

Sounds like manufactured outrage. Need more information. The sources linked to this story aren't credible, mostly RW media outlets that are scaring people on purpose. What's the bill or law #?

It is legitimate. But whether or not it actually amounts to anything is questionable. Our gun laws are only marginally enforced currently so it is mostly a gesture on the administrations part.

 

[YmirGF]

These most recent of these efforts were issued July 22, 2016, by the Department of State as a “Guidance” on the “Applicability of the ITAR Registration Requirement to Firearms Manufacturers and Gunsmiths.”

This document involves redefining gunsmithing activities as “manufacturing” under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and requires many gunsmiths to register with the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) and pay an annual fee beginning at $2,250.

Oh, I see. So, tytlyf, was mistaken. OK. (Stupid me, I should have expected that.) In other words this is a regulation change which effectively bypasses congress. Score one more for the Imperial Presidency.

 

[leibowde84]

Sounds like manufactured outrage. Need more information. The sources linked to this story aren't credible, mostly RW media outlets that are scaring people on purpose. What's the bill or law #?

As I said, what is referred to in the article is not a bill or a law. They are guidelines put out by the DoS.

 

[tytlyf]

As I said, what is referred to in the article is not a bill or a law. They are guidelines put out by the DoS.

So as I thought, Obama had nothing to do with it.

 

[YmirGF]

As I said, what is referred to in the article is not a bill or a law. They are guidelines put out by the DoS.

Sort of like the billions of regs pouring out of the EPA?

 

[Demonslayer]

If a gunsmith "makes" or "builds" guns for purchase, why is it problematic to call them a manufacturer.

I didn't read the bill so this is just a guess, but is it that they are calling gun shops who only sell the guns "manufacturers?" Like if they said a car dealership was a car manufacturer?

 

[tytlyf]

Sort of like the billions of regs pouring out of the EPA?

Regs are safety laws. Do you like regs on the airline industry?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Sounds like manufactured outrage.

And it doesn't take much to outrage gun nuts!

Reflecting on that strange document the US Constitution, could not the Supreme Court interpret the Second Amendment as merely guaranteeing the continuance of the colonial militias? Imagine the Court (after two terms of Hillary) deciding that all wanting to own military-style weapons must join the National Guard!

 

[YmirGF]

And it doesn't take much to outrage gun nuts!

Reflecting on that strange document the US Constitution, could not the Supreme Court interpret the Second Amendment as merely guaranteeing the continuance of the colonial militias? Imagine the Court (after two terms of Hillary) deciding that all wanting to own military-style weapons must join the National Guard!

Probably not the smartest move with a civilian population already in possession of tons of guns and ammo. Jus' sayin'....