If you think that Walz has ever said that he's seen combat, please share. AFAIK, he's always been open that his service on deployment has consisted of support roles and some SAR, but not combat himself.
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Clizby Wampuscat
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Who pretended what?
See post #19.
Vice President-elect Vance was always faithful. A person's understanding can evolve and people can have a change of heart. That doesn't necessarily mean they have become unfaithful to their core principles. The majority of voters elected him which means they recognize his faithfulness.
Sad that even this thread had to be turned into something insulting and ugly. 
What is dishonorable is to say someone attempted a coup d'etat that never did. Vice President-elect Vance served honorably in the United States Marine Corps. He received an honorable discharge. Your opinion to the contrary is baseless, unfounded and irrelevant.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I am not playing this game. I asked a question for clarity. Answer my question or don’t. I don’t care.
In post #19 of yours...
"He attached what he thinks is a lie, that Walz said he was in war. He was not. That is what he attacked, not his service."
I judge Vance to have lied (for political gain) about Waltz's intent.
I get that you need to tell yourself this.
If your online persona is genuine - I have no way to tell - then me pointing out that Vance has turned his back on his oath by supporting Trump reflects on you as well.
It's way easier to dismiss this idea as the opinion of a random person on the internet than to really reflect on it.
And Governor Walz served honourably in the United States Army, but Vance falsely accused him of stolen valour.
Do you think that's okay?
Again: I get that you need to tell yourself this.
Allow me to point out two facts. Neither Trump nor Vance have been convicted of any coup d'etat. A majority of Americans have just voted for them to hold the highest offices in the land.
Actually Walz served in the Army National Guard, not the United States Army. Also Vance did not say that Walz never served honorably. What he said that Walz took the stolen valor of claiming to have served in combat when he had not. And Vance was quite correct.
Vance has never "turned his back on his oath". Your lies reflect on you. These lies didn't work before the election. They are even more insipid post election.
Of course. Trump didn't carry out a coup. He and his fellow conspirators attempted a coup, but they were thwarted.
I'm not aware that any role that Vance had in the coup attempt. All I'm accusing Vance of is allying himself with a traitor once it was obvious that Trump was a traitor. I'm not accusing Vance of
And make no mistake: Trump is a traitor. He and his cronies used fraud and violence to try to throw an election.
The fact that there was a coup attempt has been established in court beyond a reasonable doubt through the trials of other conspirators. Trump's own indictments - if they ever go to trial - will only be about determining Trump's own specific involvement.
No, 22.5% of Americans voted for Trump and Vance.
... and I imagine that a fair chunk of those people are ignorant of the details of Jan. 6.
Most Americans did not vote for Trump. Even fewer voted for him knowing him to be a traitor. You did, though.
I asked @Clizby Wampuscat to give us an example of Walz misrepresenting details of his military service. I now extend the same invitation to you.
The fact that you find the truth to be uncomfortable doesn't make it a lie.
Jack The Ripper was never convicted of murder.
Hitler was never convicted of war crimes.
Stalin was never convicted of corruption.
To imply they're innocent because of lack of conviction is bogus.
Are you actually arguing that this means
Trump never staged a failed coup?
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Has everyone heard that another former solider, like Vance, has been appointed to be Secretary of Defense; Pete Hegseth. He was a decorated solider, Major, who went to Princeton, who was also a host on FOX News and FOX Nation that past eight years. He does a lot of work with Veterans. Like Vance, Pete Hegseth is also a #1 Best Seller on The NY Times best seller list. He is young, smart, articulate, and loyal to Trump and country.
The Bureaucratic State, in the DOD, and some in the DNC are getting a little upset, that a younger solider and TV personality will be the boss. But Trump has an instincts for such things. Hegseth is top notch, like JD Vance, and will save the military from the woke cancer that has led to loss of team spirit and mission.
The Bureaucratic State, in the DOD, and some in the DNC are getting a little upset, that a younger solider and TV personality will be the boss. But Trump has an instincts for such things. Hegseth is top notch, like JD Vance, and will save the military from the woke cancer that has led to loss of team spirit and mission.
Nor have you. These comments are gratuitous and proved nothing.
No one has implied that. None of your list were available for prosecution. Trump has been and has never been charged with murder, war crimes nor corruption. Nor has he been charged with insurrection or attempting a coup d'etat.
Trump has never been charged nor convicted of any coup d'etat. Furthermore Joe Biden welcomed him to the White House today and acknowledged Trump's legitimacy to become President in January. The majority of voters agree with your opinion that Trump attempted a coup d'etat.
They illustrate that you can't exculpate Trump
for a crime simply because he wasn't convicted
of it.
Sure.
There you go again, making
implications that you deny.
Being elected President, & welcomed to
the White House doesn't indicate
innocence of any crimes. Only that his
voters don't know of or care of his guilt.
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