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Another irrefutable proof that God created all things using mathematical induction. And a proof that The Bible is the word of God.
- Thread starter SavedByTheLord
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What I find interesting is that it seems as if a belief system has been created here, based not on faith, but on whether random people on the internet are willing to respond to a bunch of unsupported claims just so that any that try get the same answer over and over and over and over and over and over...
I don't think I've ever seen what strangers do used as the basis of a belief system.
I can't refute that either. It is irrecanable.
Ok.
It is logically impossible for us to know anything with absolute certainty. Claiming to be able to would put us in the position of claiming we are omniscient. It would only take a single failure in the form of a wrong answer to show that we are not omniscient. Admitting an error would also qualify.
We cannot know every possible outcome, nor can we even be certain of all the actual outcomes that have existed.
The best we can do is rely on evidence and logical and reasoned conclusions arrived at the best we can.
To claim something is irrefutable would mean that the claimant has tested the claim in every possible way with certainty to determine that there is no way to refute the claim.
But this may be arguable.
Further, your use of the phrase "so often" indicates that you don't know with any certainty that there exists claims that truly are irrefutable. Thus you cannot know with any certainty how often or easily irrefutable claims are actually refuted. We don't know what the false positives and false negatives of refuting is doing.
It could be rootin' tootin' refutin' or nutin.
One needn't be omniscient to know something with certainty.
Consider the a priori true statement: 1 + 1 = 2.
But certainty about things a posteriori is fraught with peril, eg, the Sun will rise tomorrow.
Goodness!
My simple claims can be made into such complexity.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
No, the fact that something is created doesn't identify any specific creator.
I was just getting started and I have nothing on the skilled practitioners I've observed on this forum and elsewhere.
In this video, the eminent mathematician Costello presents irrefutable proof that 7 X 13 is 28.
It was Miss Scarlet in the Royal Albert Hall with Deep Purple.I can refute that in three notes!
Amazingly, 'Smoke on the Water's' first three notes are the ones I was thinking of!
All things? Like the genes that cause cancer in children. Like flesh eating bacteria that is fatal for humans. Like Zeka and Malaria carried by mosquitoes that God created and has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Your God created an unstable planet where earthquakes topple the buildings humans rely on, and often die as they collapse. God created weather phenomenon that is so destructive that whole towns can be wived out, and cities flooded. More people die. Your God created genetics so unreliable that occassionally a child is born with defects, or genes so bad the fetus never survives to the point of birth. Some folks are born with defects that cause mental health problems, and they will suffer all through life. Only in modern times has science been able to sort out these defects and create medicines that defy God's will of these people suffering illness. Do you think God deliberately created a child with genes that cause cancer? If so is it a sin that doctors work to fight that cancer and deny God's will? Is medicine that cures God's created health problems evil?
Why do you need to prove it? Whom are you trying to convince, yourself or others? I always wonder this about Christians .. why the need for apologetics and proof. Isn't your faith enough?
Amazingly, 'Smoke on the Water's' first three notes are the ones I was thinking of!
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Some Christians demand that God has to be their personal version of God. They will go to all sorts of "proofs" to show that this is the case. But oddly enough none of these Christians are willing to take God's work as evidence for how he made the world.
There are some very oppressive versions of Christianity that largely relies upon threats to keep their followers in line. People have been indoctrinated with fear since they were very young children. And it can be very hard to throw off those shackles. I do not know for sure if the OP belongs to such a sect, but his posts are the sort one usually gets from victims of this sort of forced belief.
You haven't defined what real thing you intend to denote when you say "God". And I have no idea what a real god is.
How do you tell whether any real suspect is God or not?
What is the real quality "godness", which a real god has and any real other lacks?
What are we actually talking about?
As has already been pointed out, "intricate making" is just as true of vegetation ─ or blue whales, or cephalopods, or lice, or ants, or microorganisms ─, as it is of mobile phones. But they're all explained by evolution, not an "intelligent maker".
Consider the body of a mouse. There are billions of cells in it and a huge host of other things and activities that make a mouse function. Evolution again.
It's self-evidently built by humans, no?
Well, perhaps they've all died out and AI keeps things going, but ...
There is no known example of "irreducible complexity". The old favorites, the immune system, the blood-clotting cascade and the flagellum, were long ago explained by exaptation at the Dover trial 2005. If you haven't studied the judgment, might I suggest you do so.
Do you wish to trivialize human scientific and technical progress? Our advances in genetics, our biological knowhow that could produce half a dozen or more different Covid vaccines in a remarkably short time? And so on and so on?
Even if you'd provided a necessary and sufficient definition of 'God', in my view, "Living things are complicated. Therefore 'God' exists" is a simple non-sequitur, no?
You'd have to refute the modern theory of evolution, which puts all the evidence together and sets out to explain the history of life on earth, complexity and all, no?
I dealt with this above. I can add that you haven't shown that humans are intelligently designed rather than the product of billions of years of evolution on earth. Your error has the unfortunate name of 'argument from ignorance'.
I suggest you have much to gain, and nothing to lose, by reading the judgment in the Dover trial (on the link above), and by acquainting yourself with the basics of the modern theory of evolution and of genetics.
Video proof. It rules.
Sorry, I would have responded sooner, but after Abbot and Costello, there was a bunch of video clips about Karens and then a whole bunch of bad driver videos and cops pulling people over for no particular reason. I got caught up.