Another lie by an apostate.

[JoStories]

You repent by showing some humility....by submission and obedience to the ones who take the lead. (Heb 13:17)
A person who has doubts can approach the elders in the proper manner and receiving scriptural counsel.
Those who want to run away with their own ideas as if the slave is somehow tardy about dispensing the truth and needs their personal assistance, should understand that "food" is dispensed "at the proper time" and by the hand of the appointed slave.
Jesus is directing his congregation and they show that they are his willing disciples by their words and actions among a global brotherhood who are all unitedly preaching about the kingdom, just as he commanded.
If someone doesn't want to be a part of that brotherhood, they are free to leave...just don't expect us to treat it as anything but a defection.

Want you cake and eat it too? Cant be submissive?

Your problem.

You infer an obsequies nature for this woman not that much different than the women who are treated like crap by Muslim extremists or the women I tried to help in Zimbabwe years ago who were raped nearly every day and forced to have their clitoris removed, often by dull kitchen knives under septic conditions. I refuse to be submissive to any man, and furthermore, the God I believe in would never ask it of me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You repent by showing some humility....by submission and obedience to the ones who take the lead. (Heb 13:17)
A person who has doubts can approach the elders in the proper manner and receiving scriptural counsel.
Those who want to run away with their own ideas as if the slave is somehow tardy about dispensing the truth and needs their personal assistance, should understand that "food" is dispensed "at the proper time" and by the hand of the appointed slave.
Jesus is directing his congregation and they show that they are his willing disciples by their words and actions among a global brotherhood who are all unitedly preaching about the kingdom, just as he commanded.
If someone doesn't want to be a part of that brotherhood, they are free to leave...just don't expect us to treat it as anything but a defection.

Want you cake and eat it too? Cant be submissive?

Your problem.

Is this an S&M convention or a religion?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

@jeager106
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse

Indeed. Psychological harm is just as bad as physical harm, if not worse.

 

[savagewind]

First of all, your God may hate something but the God I believe in hates no one and openly requires questioning. That leads to enlightenment. Second, apparently you have never lost a child. How dare you dismiss this woman's pain so callously. I had my children taken because a man raped my child and my ex was a total jack hole, blaming me for her rape. The man grabbed her while she was walking home from school with other children and dragged her into a van. She was 8 at the time. How I was supposed to have stopped a pedophile is beyond me. Perhaps you might know that one. What harm does questioning cause anyone? Are you serious with this? If this is an example of what your faith has to offer, I thank my God I have nothing to do with it.

I am so sorry! I have children and I think I might have stunted the growth of the youngest (a boy) because I was always worried to leave him
alone for fear he might be abused. I lost my oldest daughter in a store when she was little and instead of loving her when she was found I GOT ANGRY AT HER for getting lost. I will always feel awful about that.

Anyway, it is tradition to believe the BIBLE says that "Jehovah hates", but I think it is possible and more likely that the writer wrote that people doing evil HATE JEHOVAH, which I believe is true. It is written 1 John 2:18 "Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour" , and that in Israel the apostasy was already in effect.

 

[savagewind]

Indeed. Psychological harm is just as bad as physical harm, if not worse.

I agree that mental abuse many times is worse than physical abuse.

 

[JoStories]

I am so sorry! I have children and I think I might have stunted the growth of the youngest (a boy) because I was always worried to leave him
alone for fear he might be abused. I lost my oldest daughter in a store when she was little and instead of loving her when she was found I GOT ANGRY AT HER for getting lost. I will always feel awful about that.

Anyway, it is tradition to believe the BIBLE says that "Jehovah hates", but I think it is possible and more likely that the writer wrote that people doing evil HATE JEHOVAH, which I believe is true. It is written 1 John 2:18 "Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour" , and that in Israel the apostasy was already in effect.

Anger seems to be a natural emotion for many men based on their youth teachings to swallow all emotions and in particular, fear and sadness. Getting angry at children who have frightened you is in many ways very common, albeit the wrong thing to feel. I don't believe that anyone who makes mistakes, even those that are serious ones, hates God. I also don't believe in evil as a concept. There is Yin and there is Yang, IMO, which are both necessary parts of life in order for us to learn to evolve toward enlightenment. The only person I have ever encountered that gave me pause was a man in maximum security prison who had killed another inmate with a pencil and cared not that he had died. I worked there as a nurse and he was the only inmate I felt the need to have a CO with me. Yet even he I did not consider evil. Just a very young soul on the scale of enlightenment who had much to learn.

 

[JoStories]

I agree that mental abuse many times is worse than physical abuse.

True, in fact, very true but the one thing I would add is that mental abuse will not kill one and having endured serious abuse from my ex husband, who put me in ICU twice, I can assure you that the mental abuse was far easier to live through. And today, I still have no issues with the mental abuse but I will NOT allow that man within miles of me out of outright fear. He is dangerous even today 45 years later.

 

[savagewind]

If to disagree with the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses means apostasy does to disagree with what was actually written which is called 'scripture' also apostasy? Why or why not? @Deeje

 

[savagewind]

Anger seems to be a natural emotion for many men based on their youth teachings to swallow all emotions and in particular, fear and sadness.

I am woman.

 

[savagewind]

True, in fact, very true but the one thing I would add is that mental abuse will not kill one and having endured serious abuse from my ex husband, who put me in ICU twice, I can assure you that the mental abuse was far easier to live through. And today, I still have no issues with the mental abuse but I will NOT allow that man within miles of me out of outright fear. He is dangerous even today 45 years later.

I think that mental abuse can lead to something worse than being killed. Suicide.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Is this even more veiled J.W. bashing?
J.W. harm NO ONE and try to carry a message even door to door in the face
of rude and sometimes violent responses.
They got guts!

Aside from the fact they quite clearly cause great harm to members of their own communities by operating an environment where people can engage in criminal activities like child abuse without being caught and in America the Watchtower abuses its First Amendment rights to prevent investigation by secular authorities. Then there's also this little incident from Mexico where the JWs felt it was okay to vandalise sites of religious interest to non-Christians.

How devoted to the Truth they believe in!
If EVERYONE were like them we would't have an Orlando massacre.

If everyone else had the same 'we're righteous and saved while you're all faithless sinners who close your ears to the Truth' mentality they had there'd be an Orlando massacre every other week. Same goes for the incident I linked above. If the JWs were really so righteous they'd seclude themselves from the evil society they abhor so much and live monastic lives.

 

[savagewind]

I have met two Jehovah's Witness women who were married to "unbelieving" men. They both influenced their husbands (both good men imo) to dedicate themselves to the Jehovah's Witness cause. Even though one of them is a fine person, he was not a good elder imo. He caused me much mental pain and anxiety in his capacity as an elder. JWs believe the elders are appointed by The Holy Spirit. I know that is not true. It is a lie.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

"Geraint Watkin is also a member of the Bethel family".

So is Geraint WATKIN his first name?
Well I guess we will never know his surname then.....

You crack me up.

I'm guessing the gb hasn't told you what surname means yet, so you don't know that it is the last name.

Awake - No. 3 – 2016 – Breaking the Language Barrier
How do translators typically carry out their work?

Geraint, a translator based in Britain, explains: “I work with a team of translators, so good cooperation is the key. Together we explore solutions to tough translation problems. As we do, we consider not just words but groups of words. We weigh their real meaning and intent, constantly reminding ourselves of the target audience for each article.”

Read the article and tell me where you see his "surname"!

He is a WT "translator" who "turned down" a "university education" for pioneer service.

Geraint Watkin is also a member of the Bethel family. In the early 1980’s, he turned down a university education in favor of pioneer service.

 

[savagewind]

. There might be two Geraints. Does the Awake No. 3 2016 mention Geraint's last name?

 

[Desert Snake]

Is this even more veiled J.W. bashing?
J.W. harm NO ONE and try to carry a message even door to door in the face
of rude and sometimes violent responses.
They got guts!
How devoted to the Truth they believe in!
If EVERYONE were like them we would't have an Orlando massacre.

Yeah, the harm comes when your locked out of Heaven.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

. There might be two Geraints. Does the Awake No. 3 2016 mention Geraint's last name?

No, it doesn't. But if you read both articles it's easy to determine they are the same person.

 

[savagewind]

Yeah, the harm comes when your locked out of Heaven.

According to the JWS only 144,000 go to Heaven. They will rule with Jesus over faithful Jehovah's Witnesses from Heaven.
The real harm that the JWs believe in is that the 144,000 and Jesus Christ will eliminate anyone who will not submit to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yeah, the harm comes when your locked out of Heaven.

True. That's one way to get people to submit!

"I'm going to heaven, you're not. But if you stick with me, you will benefit from my going to heaven!"

 

[savagewind]

True. That's one way to get people to submit!

"I'm going to heaven, you're not. But if you stick with me, you will benefit from my going to heaven!"

That is exactly right. They teach against their own understanding of scripture.
James 4:13-17
13 Come, now, you who say: “Today or tomorrow we will travel to this city and will spend a year there, and we will do business and make some profit,”+ 14 whereas you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow.+ For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then disappears.+ 15 Instead, you should say: “If Jehovah* wills,+ we will live and do this or that.” 16 But now you take pride in your arrogant boasting. All such boasting is wicked. 17 Therefore, if someone knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.+

IF Jehovah wills it. They say, "Jehovah's will for me is to be of the 144,000".

They admit that they are saved before they are. Matthew 24:13

 

[Deeje]

While I can appreciate that most of your door to door people are just trying to do what they believe is right, I have had more than my share that were rude and in my face types. One asked me, to my saying, politely I might add, that I am Buddhist, if I was happily going to hell and had her finger shaking in my face. I politely reminded her that Buddhist do not believe in a hell per se to which she scoffed at me and said I was delusional. This is but one example of some that have come knocking. So again, while most may not be like these, some are. And that is, IMO, inexcusable.

Jo, you can't be serious. If that was a JW doing and saying that, then I will eat my hat. We don't believe in hell either...so go figure.

We would never say something like that and if we did, it should be reported so that action against that individual would be taken. JW's aren't the only ones who preach door to door. Some local Pentecostal groups do it too....more likely to be one of those.