Another maskless rally by Trump -- as the crisis continues to worsen

[Twilight Hue]

I find it really, really hard, this realization -- demonstrated here by @Shaul and @Twilight Hue -- that COVID-19 is nothing but a political struggle between the left and right. How sad that the US appears so hopelessly divided that the people can no longer come together even to fight a common enemy.

That's when the nation seems at its most lost, and at its most vulnerable.

How does it help the situation any when a person is insistent on the notion they are saving lives on one front, while at the same time, stabbing those same people squarely behind in the back while doing it?

Its not too hard to see why people are acting this way.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

How does it help the situation any when a person is insistent on the notion they are saving lives on one front, while at the same time, stabbing those same people squarely behind in the back while doing it?

Its not too hard to see why people are acting this way.

Yet, remember, you are harking way back to March -- near the beginning of this thing, when very little was known. I do not expect perfection out of humans, because we are not capable of it. But when we do our best, with what we know -- and then make corrections when we learn better, as Cuomo did less than 2 months later! -- then my tendency is to forgive, and stop blaming people for not having been perfect.

This warfare and hatred between left and right insists -- absolutely insists -- on holding "the other side" guilty no matter what. It's pointless, it's a waste of time, and it's destructive to the nation as a whole. And I do not think that's a particularly good idea, when everybody needs to fight the common enemy together.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yet, remember, you are harking way back to March -- near the beginning of this thing, when very little was known. I do not expect perfection out of humans, because we are not capable of it. But when we do our best, with what we know -- and then make corrections when we learn better, as Cuomo did less than 2 months later! -- then my tendency is to forgive, and stop blaming people for not having been perfect.

This warfare and hatred between left and right insists -- absolutely insists -- on holding "the other side" guilty no matter what. It's pointless, it's a waste of time, and it's destructive to the nation as a whole. And I do not think that's a particularly good idea, when everybody needs to fight the common enemy together.

Thats why I willingly wear my mask in public where social distancing is less than 6 feet (approx1.8 meters), yet I'm also very sensitive to people whose careers and businesses are being systematically and intentionally destroyed without any kind of recompense ever being implemented in order to keep people fed and housed properly and able to pay off accumulated debt, to what best described as now, a forced levied debt that already has destroyed people's lives beyond repair in its own right.

 

[Wandering Monk]

If you look at the data in the USA, Democrat controlled states, during the pandemic, ave had the worse death numbers per hundred thousand citizens. The control 8 of the top 10 death states. The reason this data is important is, the US, has state's rights, which allow states to ignore the central response of the government. The death states, controlled by the Democrats, all chose to do the opposite of the Trump policies, due to the election, and not wishing to give him any credit. They ended up with the worse death numbers. The safer Republican led states, went along with Trump policies. Do the math! The left wing policies did not work. Why are we still listening to these incompetent boneheads? It has to do with misinformation and their control over fake news and internet censorship.

There are some unmentioned problems with wearing a mask. First, even the best masks such as n95, which are expensive and hard to find, are only 95% efficient. This means that 5% of the virus can still get in and out, while you wear it.

Secondly, most people recycle their masks, instead of dispose of them, hourly, like in hospitals. If the mask does its job, this means contaminates are collecting in the mask. Like any filter, when it reaches it saturation point, there will be break through. If you own a water filter, break through will begin as a pulse of nasty tasting water. In this case of a germs mask break through is full of germs. Thirdly, most masks are designed for fashion and not filtration so 95% efficient is an over estimate for the average effectiveness of all the masks used and considered valid.

The worse problem with the mask, is say you were to get the virus, due to your mask not being 100% effective. This is almost everyone. Your designer mask may be fancy but is only 65% efficient. Without the mask you can cough and/or sneeze out germs. With the mask on constantly, you get to collect, concentrate and recycle your own virus production, into your side of the mask, so you can rebreathe it, over and over. This recycle of germs will assure you get sicker. The strongest genetic variation of the virus, will impact you the fastest, causing the first symptoms. These will concentrate first in the mask and help the virus expand.

The flip side of the coin is say you get the virus, due to not owning a 100% efficient mask or due to not wearing a mask. However, your immune system is strong and you do not get sick. Your breath will still give off virus, but the virus will be weakened, chewed up and mixed with immunity factors, due to your strong immune response. Your exhale will be good germs, similar to the flue shot, that can help others develop an immune response. This is part of natural immunity transfer, that is minimized with the masks. This often occurs among family members who do not were mask with each other. The healthy can help the sickly by passing immune factors, but this is reduced by n95 masks by 95 percent.

Mask don't need to block 100% of the virus. They reduce the overall DOSE of virus you are ejecting into your environment. Droplets contain orders of magnitude higher doses of the virus than aerosols. The mask is effective in decreasing the amount ejected in droplets, which are the more dangerous forms, because the higher dose of the virus a person gets results in worse infection and outcome.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sold! Here's the payment....

Gov. Cuomo's controversial order requiring nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients was reportedly removed from New York's health website

Trump supported mask wear months before Biden, Fauci and the Left decided it could used as a wedge.

Nope. Maskless rallies. Actions speak more loudly than words.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sold! Here's the payment....

Gov. Cuomo's controversial order requiring nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients was reportedly removed from New York's health website

Misrepresentation is not payment. Try again.

 

[dybmh]

Even more truly brainless than maskless protesters a few months ago? Seriously, how do you justify criticizing one but not the other?

FYI:

"There isn’t evidence that Black Lives Matter protests have led to a noticeable increase in COVID-19 cases, despite early concerns from health officials.
The reasons for the lack of transmission likely have to do with the protesters being outside in the wind and sun and most of them wearing masks."

Source: Black Lives Matter Protests Didn’t Contribute to the COVID-19 Surge.

 

[Cooky]

FYI:

"There isn’t evidence that Black Lives Matter protests have led to a noticeable increase in COVID-19 cases, despite early concerns from health officials.
The reasons for the lack of transmission likely have to do with the protesters being outside in the wind and sun and most of them wearing masks."

Source: Black Lives Matter Protests Didn’t Contribute to the COVID-19 Surge.

It doesn't matter the results. people not wearing masks in groups risk putting others lives at risk, should be publicly shamed equally, regardless of political affiliation... Or not shamed at all... Equally...

 

[Shaul]

FYI:

"There isn’t evidence that Black Lives Matter protests have led to a noticeable increase in COVID-19 cases, despite early concerns from health officials.
The reasons for the lack of transmission likely have to do with the protesters being outside in the wind and sun and most of them wearing masks."

Source: Black Lives Matter Protests Didn’t Contribute to the COVID-19 Surge.

Riiiiight

 

[Twilight Hue]

Small number? 2500 dying a day is "small"? That's 75000 a month.

So what would not be small? 500000 a month?

If people insist on acting like irresponsible toddlers, they should be treated like irresponsible toddlers.

It is a small number in terms of per capita.

It dosent require a brain surgeon to realize that high populations will obviously have a higher death rate no matter what it is.

The collective numbers are being used exclusively for its shock value, not the reality of the true lethality of covid.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Misrepresentation is not payment. Try again.

Its not in the least. That actually happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its not in the least. That actually happened.

Yes, it happened, but it was a misrepresentation of the facts. You still lose.

Tell me, what was to be done with those people?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, it happened, but it was a misrepresentation of the facts. You still lose.

Tell me, what was to be done with those people?

Well you certainly don't intermingle them with the most vulnerable. *yikes*

It raises a rampant conspiracy, that Coumo did this to minimize state Medicare and Medicaid payouts.

Honestly, they should have just stayed where they are or at least transported them to seperate facilities specially set up solely for covid infected people away from others until they become non contagious.

 

[The Hammer]

Well, they must eventually be discharged from hospitals, or the hospitals will be so full patients will be spilling out the windows. So if there's nowhere else for them to go, what's your suggestion? Plant them under a tree somewhere and hope they get better on their own?

Yup, my wife was sent home to free up a bed for someone else more needy. She is still recovering from this damned virus.

 

[The Hammer]

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Riiiiight

Yup this one photo represents every city worldwide that participated in the BLM protests.

 

[Cooky]

Yup this one photo represents every city worldwide that participated in the BLM protests.

Still, you are very ashamed of those BLM people for doing what they did... And condemn their actions... Right?

If so, I'm curious how disappointed in them you are.

 

[Cooky]

Most people here seem primarily concerned with condemning their ideological rivals, and not those they consider members of their own tribes...

Primates are so funny. Yet predictable...

 

[JustGeorge]

Most people here seem primarily concerned with condemning their ideological rivals, and not those they consider members of their own tribes...

Off subject, @Cooky , but do you mind if I use this idea for a thread at some point soon?

It's inspired me.

 

[Cooky]

Off subject, @Cooky , but do you mind if I use this idea for a thread at some point soon?

It's inspired me.

if you're going to use it in a tit-for-tat manner, it's to be expected. Primates are primates.

...If you're going to explore the concept, I think that would be fascinating.

 

[JustGeorge]

if you're going to use it in a tit-for-tat manner, it's to be expected. Primates are primates.

...If you're going to explore the concept, I think that would be fascinating.

My intentions are good.