Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm failing to see your point because thkse kids killed will never wake up tomorrow while those injured on a bike will go on to master those skills and not likely to get hurt again.
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We Never Know
No Slack
Kids killed by guns or bikes will never wake up tomorrow. Dead is dead. Did you have a point.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Alot of mass shootings were done by kids themselves. School shootings is kids killing kids. Perhaps the age to own a gun needs to be raised until the brain is fully developed which they say isn’t till late 20’s.
But then again 70% of school shooters are under 18 and you have to be 21 to own a gun so go figure
But then again 70% of school shooters are under 18 and you have to be 21 to own a gun so go figure
We Never Know
No Slack
IMO...Any person(parent, friend, whoever) that is responsible for that gun getting into the hands of a kid that uses it to commit any crime, should be charged with the crime.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I misread things. Yes, that's 100 kids killed on a bike accident. Compare that to America's number kid killer, guns, at 4300 a year. But when it comes to killing Kids America shows that "we're #1 spirit."
Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF
Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.
www.kff.org
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Given the prevalence of guns being purchased under false pretense by a person allowed to own one who then gives it someone not allowed, I think this should be more broad and even if it's adults the one who illegally gave it away should face some sort of criminal liability.
For this to work I believe we would need a database if gun ownership and mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms.
We Never Know
No Slack
I misread things. Yes, that's 100 kids killed on a bike accident. Compare that to America's number kid killer, guns, at 4300 a year. But when it comes to killing Kids America shows that "we're #1 spirit."
Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF
Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.
"America's number kid killer"
Do you mean number one kid killer? That's false.
Leading causes of death
Children aged 1-4 years
- Accidents (unintentional injuries)
- Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities
- Assault (homicide)
Children aged 5-9 years
- Accidents (unintentional injuries)
- Cancer
- Assault (homicide)
Children aged 10-14 years
- Accidents (unintentional injuries)
- Intentional self-harm (suicide)
- Cancer
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We Never Know
No Slack
Did you misread the post again???
IMO... Any person(parent, friend, whoever) that is responsible for that gun getting into the hands of a kid that uses it to commit any crime, should be charged with the crime.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yep. Many control measures. Many.
Since of course it's the now the means of any problem, and never ever the cause.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't think anyone else has either.
Probably bad genes and bad parenting.
Very interesting the seeming jump to defend the gun deaths of children in the US. It doesn’t matter if more cars kill kids, even one child dying from gun related deaths in the modern world is one too many. That is a travesty in the modern world that only the US seems to suffer from. Since no other modern western country has such a stat. Despite having similar resources. Hmmm
Why?
What is truly unique in the US compared to the modern world? Well????
Why?
What is truly unique in the US compared to the modern world? Well????
Curious George
Veteran Member
I think the issue with this is that why does one death of a child due to guns one too many, but one death of a child due to cats or bikes or whatever the flavor of the day is not one death too many?
I see people attempt to differentiate guns based on utility, but isn’t that doesn’t really negate anything. Is it okay for a kid to die because you can get to work easier? I hope that is not how you see it! I certainly don’t.
The attempt to shame people who own or believe they should own guns is purely an emotional appeal. There is some weak logic behind the concern. If guns were less accessible then deaths related to guns would likely decrease, but with critical examination we should ask whether there is another way? Can you think of any?
Say increased opportunity of socioeconomic advancement. Might that have an impact? What about less stigmatization of those struggling with mental health issues? What about greater access to mental health care? What about a minimum safety net where all people were provided at least the basic needs? What about better education? What about less drugs?
If you think hard on the topic, you should come to the conclusion that the homicide and suicide deaths, of which gun deaths are a part, in the u.s happen because a complex web of issues.
Focusing on these issues could greatly reduce the death rates, to include gun deaths, better than any legislation against guns.
Now I recognize that your country chose to throw gun legislation at the problem. And it may “feel” like that was needed. I am just not convinced that it was necessary. I suppose one could argue that it was necessary because the other reforms will likely take more time. I think the situation is reversed in the US. Now, this may seem to indicate that there are a bunch of “gun worshipping weirdos” in the US. Even if such were the case, it is not the sole reason.
But a quick question, if the U.S. greatly reduces gun deaths to say a lesser number per 100k than Australia, would you be in favor of dismantling gun restrictions in Australia and implementing the changes that the U.S. introduced?
The distinction as I see it (and I speak for myself only) is that it is entirely preventable.
Sure you can not use bikes or have cats or whatever. If you so choose
But gun death is entirely preventable, from beginning to the end. You can completely opt to eliminate such a death from the getgo. Such a distinction makes deaths from such stats much more awful.
I sincerely don’t care about the second amendment. My apologies if I value a child’s life over such a thing. I know I’m so awful.
Prioritising a child’s right to live their full life over such a thing is awful I know. Pfft.
Imagine that. Caring about kids living over some yahoo’s right to own guns. I’m just so awful amirite?
But you are correct in your assessment
Either way, I actually don’t care if someone owns a thousand guns or not. If that’s their choice then so be it. They can own all the guns in the world, if that’s their choice. Good for them.
But maybe it might be a good idea to scan such owners through a system which determines whether or not they pose a risk with said guns. I don’t wish to take away their gun rights, merely assess whether or not it’s safe for the broader society to allow them said rights. If not, then they should be able to access the help necessary for their recovery. Hopefuly that can prevent little kids from ending up in graves.
The US so called “war on drugs” has long served as a cautionary tale on what not to do with drugs in society. Fun fact
My country chose to prioritise the lives of children over trigger happy lunatics.
Don’t get me wrong here, I’m sure the vast majority of gun owners in the US are all responsible and uphold gun safety laws. I’m not at all saying that Americans are irresponsible at all. They are most likely law abiding citizens who are perfect examples of gun owner laws.
But time and time and time again there are those idiots who ruin it for everyone else, afraid to say. And it’s not like the lax regulations in the US make it any harder for such examples to hurt the community.
Sorry but sometimes tighter regulation results in more safety broadly speaking.
Again I’m not at all saying that I’m against US citizens owning guns. They can own all the guns in the world as far as I’m concerned. But the US lack of regulation of said firearms has produced pile upon pile of dead children.
That’s just fact. That’s not my doing that’s theirs.
Sorry but that’s just reality.
Wish it were different, I truly do
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Colt
Well-Known Member
Mass murderers are heartless monsters! Now self hating Tran people are using the technique.
Truly awful.
But if that’s the case then cis white men should be thoroughly looked at and perhaps even locked up for the greater good of society. I mean they have a whole lot of shooters in their line up. Just saying
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Ow dear.
The population size doesn't matter when you express it in %
Here's a little exercise for you...
Country A has a population of 500 million and say 10.000 murders per month.
Country B has a population of 10 million and say 5000 murders per month.
Question: which country has the biggest murder problem?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
DAILY GUN VIOLENCE IMPACTING CHILDREN AND TEENS (1-17)
Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States. Among those:- 5 die from gun violence
- 3 are murdered
- 17 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
- 8 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
- 2 children and teens either die from gun suicide or survive an attempted gun suicide
- 8 children and teens are unintentionally shot in instances of family fire — a shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home resulting in injury or death
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
The problems won't go away by themselves.
Colt
Well-Known Member
If we can determine the danger of specific cis white males then yes. What we discover with so many shooters is that warning signs were there, even reported but were ignored.Truly awful.
But if that’s the case then cis white men should be thoroughly looked at and perhaps even locked up for the greater good of society. I mean they have a whole lot of shooters in their line up. Just saying
I could see strict licensing requirements for certain guns.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
There are more privately owned guns in the US then there are citizens.
MANY of those aren't properly stored either.
This means that guns are ridiculously easy to obtain in the US.
Most mass shootings, in fact, happen with legally purchased guns.
And when there are such a ridiculous amount of guns, it is also ridiculously easy to obtain them illegally.
Come to Belgium and try to get a gun and ammo illegally. Or even legally. I dare ya.
When guns are so easily obtained, then they are ridiculously widespread.
When they are ridiculously widespread, then the bar is extremely low to actually also use them.
It's not rocket science.