Answering Atheists

[ecco]

If evil did not exist, how could one ever learn what evil is?

By eating an apple.

 

[ecco]

The best reality check you can give to an atheist is to simply tell them that they can't prove God doesn't exist.
They can't.

You seem to be under the impression that if one cannot prove that a God does not exist, the reality is that the god must be real.

Therefore, you must believe that Allah is a Real God.
Therefore, you must believe that Thor is a Real God.
Therefore, you must believe that Shiva is a Real God.
Therefore, you must believe that Shango is a Real God.

If you can prove that any of the Gods listed above do not exist, please do tell us all about it.

Im under no impression.
I simply told you that you can't prove that God does not exist.
That's reality.

So, your comment about giving atheists a reality check -reprinted above-
is by your own admission, meaningless.

On the other hand, the best reality check I can give you is to simply tell you that you can't prove Thor doesn't exist.
You can't.

Does that mean you accept Thor as a real god?

And while we're at it the best reality check I can give you is to simply tell you that you can't prove your God exists.
You can't.

So, based on that, your God and Thor are equally probable. Ditto, Shiva, Shango, Allah.

 

[Bethel]

And while we're at it the best reality check I can give you is to simply tell you that you can't prove your God exists.
You can't.

If the world exists, then God exists, as He created it.

Its really comes down to one thing, ecco.

Did Jesus rise from the Dead?
500 saw Him, and then you have all the Apostles, and you have Christianity, 2000 yrs later, and after you and i are gone.

And before you say...>"well, its just one more religion", i can show you why its not.
Christianity, is God offering you a way to become his family.
Religion can't do that for you, including Islam.

 

[ecco]

If the world exists, then God exists, as He created it.

When you say "God" you mean your god. Your beliefs are no different than any other religious person's beliefs. You all believe your god didit. You sure can't all be right. But you sure can all be wrong.

Its really comes down to one thing, ecco.

Did Jesus rise from the Dead?
500 saw Him, and then you have all the Apostles, and you have Christianity, 2000 yrs later, and after you and i are gone.

You need to show credible evidence that your Jesus really existed. Outside of the Bible stories, there is no such evidence.

You need to show who wrote the gospels and how the so carefully recorded so many of Jesus' words and deeds. You cannot.

And before you say...>"well, its just one more religion", i can show you why its not.

You say you can, but you cannot. Muslims and Hindus and Bahais and Mormons also all say the same thing, but they cannot.

How many Muslims or Hindus have you converted?

Christianity, is God offering you a way to become his family.
Religion can't do that for you, including Islam.

Gods (all gods) are the creations of man's imaginings. Period.

 

[Bird123]

According to the Bible, God has both the desire and will to remove evil.


For humans to acquire true wisdom?
Allowing evil for a limited time does serve to give humans understanding in the sad consequences of human rule independent of God.


Yes. If man was restricted from choosing a course in oposition to God, that would not be freedom to exercise one's choice.
That's why it's not reasonable to think that evil could not exist if God is omniscient and omnipotent.

The thing is, evil took a hold in the early stages of humanity, which affected us in a different way, than if Adam had not chosen a course in opposition to God... according to scripture.

The Bible and God are two very different things. The Bible was written by mankind. It reflects mankind more than anything else. The Bible is mankind's belief of what God should be. In reality, they do not have a clue.

Adam and Eve is no more than a story. Does it really add up? Do you even question it?? Do you question the Bible? Does it really add up??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

By eating an apple.

Apples are a Gift from God. They are meant to be eaten. Haven't you ever heard the old saying? An Apple a day keeps the Doctor away.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[paarsurrey]

Did you ever talk to Mozart?
I guess he's not there.
Oh wait? eyewitnesses? Music left behind?
Is that like a New Testament, and the 4 Gospel eyewitness accounts?
Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.

So one means there were no eyewitnesses. Right?

Regards

 

[nPeace]

The Bible and God are two very different things. The Bible was written by mankind. It reflects mankind more than anything else. The Bible is mankind's belief of what God should be. In reality, they do not have a clue.

Adam and Eve is no more than a story. Does it really add up? Do you even question it?? Do you question the Bible? Does it really add up??

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

I have been questioning the Bible now for the past 30 years, and it has always given me answers that I cannot refute in the light of facts.
Yes it was writen by men, but contains things that men could not know without supernatural guidance... unless aliens from another world came here and told man these things.
There is so much the Bible contains that proves the truthfulness of 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 and 2 Peter 1:2.
It proves to be the word of God.

 

[lukethethird]

Let me explain.

If a person says....."i dont believe the sky is blue".....then does that change it.?
So, if they then say, and "i dont want to know about the One who caused it to be blue".....does that change it from being blue?

Don't bother explaining, whether god exists or not makes no difference to anything.

 

[Bethel]

So one means there were no eyewitnesses. Right?

Regards

I would answer you again , but as you didn't comprehend the previous answer, i think i wont waste my time.
surely you understand.

thx,

-B

 

[Bethel]

Don't bother explaining, whether god exists or not makes no difference to anything.

What you mean't to say, is...."this stuff makes no difference to you".

Yes.
I believe you.

 

[ecco]

Did you ever talk to Mozart?
I guess he's not there.
Oh wait? eyewitnesses? Music left behind?
Is that like a New Testament, and the 4 Gospel eyewitness accounts?
Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.

Music left behind? What did Jesus leave behind? Do we have a copy of the Sermon on the Mount in his handwriting? No? Aw. I guess your analogy fails.

Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.

Eyewitness accounts? None.

Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.

 

[Bird123]

I have been questioning the Bible now for the past 30 years, and it has always given me answers that I cannot refute in the light of facts.
Yes it was writen by men, but contains things that men could not know without supernatural guidance... unless aliens from another world came here and told man these things.
There is so much the Bible contains that proves the truthfulness of 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 and 2 Peter 1:2.
It proves to be the word of God.

When it values so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear such as Ruling, Controlling,Judging, Condemning, Hating, Punishing, Intimidating, Coercing, Pay back, Favorites,We and They and so on, it proves that it does not come from God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[paarsurrey]

I would answer you again , but as you didn't comprehend the previous answer, i think i wont waste my time.
surely you understand.

thx,

-B

Please elaborate one's viewpoint. Right?

Regards

 

[lukethethird]

What you mean't to say, is...."this stuff makes no difference to you".

Yes.
I believe you.

I stated what I meant to state and that is that the existence or non-existence of God makes no difference whatsoever to anything that matters, nor to anyone.

 

[nPeace]

When it values so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear such as Ruling, Controlling,Judging, Condemning, Hating, Punishing, Intimidating, Coercing, Pay back, Favorites,We and They and so on, it proves that it does not come from God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

So how do you explain how men knew scientific facts, which have only recently been discovered? How do you explain very specific things known well in advance of their occurring? All wild guesses, I suppose, you will say.
What's your explanation for the coherent harmonious thread running through all these books spanning nearly 2000 years of writing? A well concocted plan, by what... wizards?

 

[ecco]

So how do you explain how men knew scientific facts, which have only recently been discovered?

Please name one. Perhaps you mean the scientific fact that goat spots are governed by the type of wood in the rails.

How do you explain very specific things known well in advance of their occurring?

Name one "very specific things known well in advance of their occurring"

What's your explanation for the coherent harmonious thread running through all these books spanning nearly 2000 years of writing?

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What "coherent harmonious thread"?

 

[Bird123]

So how do you explain how men knew scientific facts, which have only recently been discovered? How do you explain very specific things known well in advance of their occurring? All wild guesses, I suppose, you will say.
What's your explanation for the coherent harmonious thread running through all these books spanning nearly 2000 years of writing? A well concocted plan, by what... wizards?

There are many people with vision. Look at the sci-fi shows of today. How much of that will be reality in the future? If they really understood they would have had the technology back then.

Has the Bible really never been changed. When King James was coming up with his version, there were more different copies than you could imagine. King James was a King. The witch hunt to get rid of all the copies had much force behind it. Which won ?

You can't use external smoke and mirror things to understand. You must see what actually is in order to determine what it is. The Bible does have some Great things in it such as Loving. On the other hand, It reflects mankind when it values and teaches those petty things mankind holds so dear. What are they teaching in the name of goodness? It certainly isn't goodness.

That is what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[ChristineM]

The best reality check you can give to an atheist is to simply tell them that they can't prove God doesn't exist.
They can't.

And similar to a religious person, simply tell them that they can't prove God exists.
They can't.

However there is considerable evidence to contradict bible and the faithfuls claims of the abrahamic gods "attribibutes".

 

[night912]

Did you ever talk to Mozart?
I guess he's not there.
Oh wait? eyewitnesses? Music left behind?
Is that like a New Testament, and the 4 Gospel eyewitness accounts?
Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.

Luke is one of those 4 gospels, correct?

Well, here's what Luke has to say:

Luke
Introduction
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.



In other words, Luke himself was not an eyewitness. He says so himself.

Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.