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Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

The_Evelyonian

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Dale N. Gandurski said:
I wonder if they will condemn these "savage" comments towards the faith of 1/6 of the world's population.
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His comments weren't condemning "the faith". He was simply referencing certain portions of a holy book, the majority of which the faithful don't even follow any more. That was the whole point.

"We can learn to ignore the ******** in the Bible about gay people the same way we have learned to ignore the ******** in the Bible about shellfish, about slavery, about dinner, about farming, about menstruation, about virginity, about masturbation. We ignore ******** in the Bible about all sorts of things."

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"Sam Harris in Letter to a Christian Nation points out that the Bible got the easiest moral question that humanity has ever faced wrong: slavery. What are the odds that the Bible got something as complicated as human sexuality wrong? 100%. The Bible says that if your daughter’s not a virgin on her wedding night – that a woman isn’t a virgin on her wedding night, that she shall be dragged to her father’s doorstep and stoned to death. Callista Gingrich lives. And there is no effort to amend state constitutions to make it legal to stone women to death on their wedding night if they’re not virgins. At least not yet. We don’t know where the GOP is going these days. People are dying because people can’t clear this one last hurdle. They can’t get past this one last thing in the Bible about homosexuality."
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He's not attacking the faithful, or the faith, here. He's talking about hypocrisy.

"I apologize if I hurt anyone’s feelings but I have the right to defend myself, and to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the Bible and insisting that we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other.”

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CynthiaCypher

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
dawny0826 said:
Can't quell hatred with hatred. If his intentions were to sell an audience on an anti-bullying message, he lost credibility through his own arrogance and hypocrisy.

But, he exemplifies the reality that is free speech.
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No. You quell hatred with the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. Savage spoke the truth, and were I come from when you speak the truth that isn't bullying.
 
LeftishBritInPA

LeftishBritInPA

Member
TimeBean said:
I notice the fellow who started this is banned...
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And rightly so. He was a sockpuppet of another poster who was banned for having a history of making inflammatory, hateful posts such as this one and mocking non-Christian religions.

Faux news is NOT a reliable source for LGBTQI-related topics. Moreover, trying to call someone a bully for speaking out against homophobia is a bit hypocritical and bordering on hate speech.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
LeftishBritInPA said:
And rightly so. He was a sockpuppet of another poster who was banned for having a history of making inflammatory, hateful posts such as this one and mocking non-Christian religions.

Faux news is NOT a reliable source for LGBTQI-related topics. Moreover, trying to call someone a bully for speaking out against homophobia is a bit hypocritical and bordering on hate speech.
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So now it's "hate speech" to call someone on the carpet for hate speech?
What a topsy turvy world we live in.
It seems that when people are so certain of the righteousness of their
cause, they can justify abuse they'd ordinarily condemn.
 
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dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
CynthiaCypher said:
No. You quell hatred with the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. Savage spoke the truth, and were I come from when you speak the truth that isn't bullying.
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You quell hatred by presenting truth in a respectful manner. He presented himself in a hypocritical and arrogant manner in terms of his "anti-bullying" stance.

If people felt personally attacked, he's a hypocrite. You can't discount how others feel, whether you agree with them or not.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
dawny0826 said:
You quell hatred by presenting truth in a respectful manner. He presented himself in a hypocritical and arrogant manner in terms of his "anti-bullying" stance.

If people felt personally attacked, he's a hypocrite. You can't discount how others feel, whether you agree with them or not.
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I've been told I was intolerant and offensive because I declined an invitation to witness to the Holy Spirit at a gas station.

Sometimes, people are gonna feel offended no matter what you do. :shrug:
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I'm obviously not defending the way he presented himself, or how he addressed those who walked out. I'm just saying that I don't see how it's necessarily "anti-christian" to point out that it's hypocritical to use the bible to justify homophobia while ignoring the other parts of the bible that also condoned slavery, selling daughters as sex slaves, and stoning people to death for eating shrimp/pork, rotating crops, talking to menstruating women, wearing mixed fabrics, etc.

Let's say, for example, someone appeared shouting in the streets "God has spoken to me, and he said to beat up people who eat hot dogs and wear green shirts." A crowd gathers around him, many nodding to one another in agreement. Then someone wearing a green shirt in the crowd speaks up "Okay, you heard the man. Let's go beat up some hot dog eaters." Then someone turns to him "...but you're wearing a green shirt." To which the green shirted man replies "Oh my god! Don't hate on my faith!"
 
ChrisP

ChrisP

Veteran Member
Guy calls Bible BS. Some people choose to leave.

I see no problem on either side... why is this thread 12 pages long, and more importantly why is this news?
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
ChrisP said:
Guy calls Bible BS. Some people choose to leave.

I see no problem on either side... why is this thread 12 pages long, and more importantly why is this news?
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Yeah, I honestly see absolutely nothing wrong with how he talks about the Bible and relates it to anti-bullying regarding gay people.

He crossed the line when he addressed the "bible kids" who left and called them pansy-*****.

I wonder if people would have still considered this bullying and over-the-top if it had just been the Bible part. I have a feeling it still would have made news.
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
MysticSang'ha said:
I've been told I was intolerant and offensive because I declined an invitation to witness to the Holy Spirit at a gas station.

Sometimes, people are gonna feel offended no matter what you do. :shrug:
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All I'm saying is that when your message is anti-bullying, if you want to be construed as a credible, non-hypocritical speaker on the matter, you might have better luck with the "opposition" - if you appeal in a way that doesn't come back at them in a bullying/offensive manner.

I'm not really bothered so much by what he said. But, if the message was "anti-bullying", he failed...if audience members felt bullied or attacked.

When people are walking out of a talk...he's gone a little too far as far as those folks were concerned. To them, it was hurtful or angering. How can he justify the way that he's been treated by mistreating others, despite the point that he's trying to drive home regarding biblical hypocrisies. He made blanket label assumptions about his audience, which is arrogant and rude.

He stated that he was defending himself. Who in that audience bullied him directly?
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
He crossed the line when he criticized the Bible, that should always be inexcusable in a public school. Separation of church and state, and it's discriminatory.
 
LeftishBritInPA

LeftishBritInPA

Member
LeftishBritInPA

LeftishBritInPA

Member
disciple said:
Ask them. Btw do you really want to ban wearing crosses in school?
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School is a place for children to learn, not for them to display symbols of the religion their parents belong to. If they distract from the learning environment and cause kids to divide up into "us-vs-them" for instance then yes, crosses (& hijabs, too) should be banned for the greater good.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
LeftishBritInPA said:
School is a place for children to learn, not for them to display symbols of the religion their parents belong to. If they distract from the learning environment and cause kids to divide up into "us-vs-them" for instance then yes, crosses (& hijabs, too) should be banned for the greater good.
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crosses are either a personal statement of faith or a fashion statement, I'm very skeptical of the idea that wearing one is promoting an "us vs. them" environment. :rolleyes:
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Heathen Hammer said:
Plus you said 'hedge'
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Well, when a groundskeeper wants to express protection with qualifications that allow for unstated
contingencies or for withdrawal from commitment, the word "hedge" just springs to mind. It works
so much better than other verbs such as "scarify", "percolate" or "circumnavigate".
 
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