Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people

[Subduction Zone]

Baloney.

If you go into a store and they don't have the product or service you want, you go somewhere else. You are NOT being 'put on the fringe.'

There is a store here in town that sells sport clothing. Nothing for women above size 16 and THOSE sizes are put waaaay back in the back of the store.

Why can't someone who is a size 18 sue them? Are they not in business to sell sport clothing? This person who wants a size sixteen wants it to work out just like the person next to her who happens to wear a size 6. They go to the same gym, participate in the same marathon events, hike together...but the size 6 can get clothes there and the size 18 cannot.

How is that different from the baker? Because this clothing store is quite obviously discriminating against people he doesn't approve of; heavy people.

But that's just fine, isn't it?

The size 18 is just going to have to buy her clothes somewhere else, isn't she? Nobody is going to force this guy to stock larger clothes, or force the seamstress there to let out any seams.

I don't see a difference.

This argument fails since what was wanted was a product that was already sold. Your example does not work.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you know what "condescending" and "rude" means?

We are trying to focus on only one of your flaws at a time. This point has been explained to you countless times. You do not seem to understand it. Your rudeness is forgiven for now.

EDIT: Let me try to explain this one more time. When a person opens a business they have a choice. They can open it as a public accommodation, in which case one is agreeing to follow various anti-discrimination laws. Or one could open it as a private club. Religious discrimination is allowed in a private club. By choosing to open a public accommodation the baker, even though he did not realize it, agreed to follow the anti-discrimination laws, meaning he agree not to discriminate based upon his own religious beliefs.

One can make a much higher profit as a public accommodation. But there is a price to pay.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When I got my nursing license, I agreed to act as a nurse is expected to. I feel no empathy for people who had to get a permit or license and then want to disobey the rules regarding such certification.

I actually consider it a breach of contract.

That's how I feel about the psych field. And it's disgusting working with people who talk **** about their clients (and ones that aren't). And having and "us and them" mentality when it comes to clients and clinicians shouldn't be tolerated.
But who is there giving a damn when the goal is more focused on making money than it is on quality of care. You shouldn't have to be Jesus to be in the health care field, but you should definitely be slow to thinking lowly of people.

And he shouldn't even be against pederasty or pedophilia, since men typically thought girls were on the market as soon as they could rape them.

It's rather actually appalling that there are those who would even think about considering the Bible as an appropriate guide for marriage. From Genesis on, consent doesn't matter. Being forced as a slave is ok. A woman being treated as piece of inheritable property is the way of Jehovah. And there is definitely a clear preference for remaining within your own tribe even though it's biologically inferior to mixing things up when comes to "being fruitful."

And that was a guy who had an episode where he did a great roulette table (I think) for someone who *cough* made him an offer he couldn't refuse *cough*. If Buddy can make a cake for a not-mob boss *wink wink*, then a baker can make a stupid wedding cake for a legally marrying couple.

Doing dumb **** on TV is why I will never have a reality TV show. It has nothing to do with religion, but rather a personal thing as I'd want to do way more than smack a ***** for artificially inserting and inflating drama in my life. I couldn't get a show, and then later go to the producer and executives and say "you need to back off for some time and tone it down because I really don't like this or agree that it should be a part of my life."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you go into a store and they don't have the product or service you want, you go somewhere else. You are NOT being 'put on the fringe.'

There is a huge difference between a store being out of stock or not carrying something and being denied something they do have and can do.

How is that different from the baker? Because this clothing store is quite obviously discriminating against people he doesn't approve of; heavy people.

Being overweight isn't healthy, and it's a drain on medical-related expenses for the tax payer.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

That is a good question(s). I think you should contemplate it for awhile...and if you are willing, ask God about it.

Why? God never bothers an actual answer.

But you claim to speak for god, so I'm asking you.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No. It isn't.

When one group can force another to violate his own beliefs, it's absolutely NOT sacrosanct.

Please do not confuse 'legal' with 'moral,' 'ethical,' or even 'a good idea."

You are mistaken: If your beliefs compel you to break the law? Then your beliefs are illegal-- if you act on them.

But. It is not against the law to hate -- unless you act on it.

 

[dianaiad]

Yeah, but the baker had the product/service.
His reason wasn’t that he didn’t have what they needed, it was that he didn’t wanna givevit to them.

No, it has to do with what’s available from their supplier. A real analogy would be if a size 6 Mom could get a pair of leggings there, but a size 6 lesbian couldn’t. Just because she’s lesbian.


Again “not having stock” is a different issue from “I’m not selling to you because I disapprove of you.”

But, as you say, you won’t see the difference.

And the baker doesn't have the groom/groom or bride/bride cake topper.

 

[dianaiad]

We are trying to focus on only one of your flaws at a time. This point has been explained to you countless times. You do not seem to understand it. Your rudeness is forgiven for now.

Indeed.

My grandmother used to tell me that someone who has been run over by a bulldozer should forgive the operator, 'seventy times seven,' as Jesus taught, but that doesn't mean he should keep standing in front of it.

I find you condescending, rude, and antagonistic, going straight to the contemptuous personal insult whenever you don't have a response to the meat of the post.

....and I'm not going to stand in front of the bulldozer again.

 

[sojourner]

And the baker doesn't have the groom/groom or bride/bride cake topper.

Don’t need one. We didn’t have one — either time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Indeed.

My grandmother used to tell me that someone who has been run over by a bulldozer should forgive the operator, 'seventy times seven,' as Jesus taught, but that doesn't mean he should keep standing in front of it.

I find you condescending, rude, and antagonistic, going straight to the contemptuous personal insult whenever you don't have a response to the meat of the post.

....and I'm not going to stand in front of the bulldozer again.

You have that backwards, which is why you falsely accuse others of being rude. I am neither condescending nor rude. You have been avoiding the rather obvious error of yours. That is rude. That earns apparent condescension. You are blaming others for your flaws. It appears that you know that you are wrong. You do not lack the intelligence to understand what you are doing wrong.

Do you realize that if the baker had formed a private club, and there are many businesses ran as private clubs, he would have been able to discriminate in the fashion that he did legally?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And the baker doesn't have the groom/groom or bride/bride cake topper.

And this fails. If he did not carry such in stock he would not be required to supply them. This is called grasping at straws.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And this fails. If he did not carry such in stock he would not be required to supply them. This is called grasping at straws.

And desperately so.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And the baker doesn't have the groom/groom or bride/bride cake topper.

You're so close to getting it.

- "because of my deeply-held religious beliefs, I won't sell a same-sex cake topper to anyone" - acceptable.

- "because of my deeply-held religious beliefs, I won't sell a cake to a same-sex couple even though they're asking for a cake I'd sell to someone else." - not acceptable.