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Anti Trump protests

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
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I do not condone such things at all. However, a decade ago I was not the person I am today, I hope trump isn't either and has learned his lesson. And there are a lot worse things, even though I agree that his comments were probably not simple guy talk where half is false boasting with a bit of truth, so I hope he has changed being a married man now with a beautiful wife and kids to boot!
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It's really unlikely that he would be a changed man if he was a molester his whole life. And wasn't he married to two other beautiful wives with children before the current, much, much younger one?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you truly support democracy, then that means accepting the outcome even if it's not the one you desired (assuming the election was fair and legitimate).
...An assumption I'm dubious of.
True. Political violence really isn't very new over tight contested elections.

Makes one wonder who the "brownshirts" really are.
Brownshirts are authoritarian followers who violently suppress opposition groups. They're associated with the Right.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Pure democracy leads to Hitler? Erm... exaggeration much?
I'm honestly shocked that you think Trump is less 'Hitler' than Hillary. His use of hatred and fear to gain popularity is far more similar to the Hitler style.
Trump honest? If you look at what he's said during the campaign vs before it, a lot of things are completely contradictory. He's just as cunning and deceptive as any other politician.
He is also a terrible business man. Like really bad.

A wise man should have said many centuries ago, "Hard to see the truth through the glass of sour grapes". Since I could find no such quote I made it up.

Trump vs the Constitution.
1. Condones torture/ anti 8th amendments
2. Wants to discriminate against a religious group
3. Wants to censor people/ anti freedom of speech

Btw, Hitler's party actually failed popular vote. He gained power when the actual President made him Chancellor. Also, Stalin wasn't elected into his position.

I really hope you're right though. It would be nice to be pleasantly surprised.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
Pure democracy leads to Hitler? Erm... exaggeration much?

Hi Madhuri! You may be reading more into my words than I intended. I think pure democracies are inherently unstable, dangerous and unfair, but that isn't the worst. The can lead to absolute rule by absolute rule. Minorities suffer the less powerful suffer Democracies. I don't want to delve to far into this because no one reads a reply more than a few paragraphs, but let me say In a pure democracy, the majority has the power to crush a minority. I mentioned Hitler, in 1933 Germany Hitler's National Socialist Party won the election. Hitler then centralized his power via a Nazi dictatorship which led to the holocaust and attempt at world domination. All made possible by democracy like rule. .

I'm honestly shocked that you think Trump is less 'Hitler' than Hillary. His use of hatred and fear to gain popularity is far more similar to the Hitler style.

Clinton is smarter and more evil than Trump and she holds her cards close to her vest. Also she is not above using murder as a means to an end. Personally I think she is a damaged but strong woman and was used by her husband and humiliated also. No one can sweep that kind of anger under the rug without it coming out as illness later in life.

Trump honest? If you look at what he's said during the campaign vs before it, a lot of things are completely contradictory. He's just as cunning and deceptive as any other politician. He is also a terrible business man. Like really bad.

Still compared to Clinton he was the 'better' pick. If Benghazi had not been on Clinton's plate I could have voted for her. But as a vet I couldn't do it on that debacle alone. Sorry.

Trump vs the Constitution.
1. Condones torture/ anti 8th amendments
2. Wants to discriminate against a religious group
3. Wants to censor people/ anti freedom of speech

1...I can not condone torture, so we would have to work to stop him.
2..... I don't think he means to harm moderate nonviolent Muslims. Nether do I. I can not support sharia law and that law should be outlawed for all Muslims in the USA if it goes against USA criminal law.
3.... We have been censored since bush created the fatherland act and before. Terrorism has given our government too much power and maybe they are worse tha some of the milder terrorists.

Btw, Hitler's party actually failed popular vote. He gained power when the actual President made him Chancellor. Also, Stalin wasn't elected into his position.

See above in a democracy majority rule which I was using the two demigods as a comparison would allow total power unlike our three teir system of Representative republic democracy...

I really hope you're right though. It would be nice to be pleasantly surprised.

So would I, lol. Thanks for your well written reply and rebuttal. I would vote for you if we could do the election again and you were on the ballot!
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter

It's really unlikely that he would be a changed man if he was a molester his whole life. And wasn't he married to two other beautiful wives with children before the current, much, much younger one?[/QUOTE]

True and if he is a true molester that would have influenced my vote. I don't know Madhuri Trump is my least favorite kind of person. I like people who make it on their own, like an actor or actress that has no good looks but success by hard work. I don't despise rich people, its just that all the rich people I have known feel entitled and they were really bad people. However, if they are rich and they did it on their own, and have a little compassion for their fellow man, God bless them. I just do not like smug rich people who think they are somehow superior than everyone else, so I don't read about The trumps in the world. Now I fear the George Soros types. The use their money for evil IMO, but that's another thread.
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
In this case Trump is the victor.

I do hold my leaders accountable. However I see no proof of the worst of the accusations being true. I think the majority of the protesters and afraid of Trump, and they are PISSED at themselves and they are PISSED at he white old farts of whom they know nothing about really, all who contributed to getting him voted him in right under their noses. There is more, like the leaders being handled by professional protesters and revolutionaries that coach them, sometimes without they even knowing it. There are still other reasons but that's enuff' aint it?

Will you ask if he told the truth? Doesn't look like it.

To show how serious I am about these things became a prepper and a political refugee of sorts, well an mild prepper. I did that originally because I could not due to my ethics and religious beliefs pay some fees and taxes and participate as a citizen in certain activities. .So I divested myself from the real world for nearly ten years, becoming invisible to those that would have held me accountable by their fraudulent accusations....and unlawful requirements.
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I mentioned Hitler, in 1933 Germany Hitler's National Socialist Party won the election. Hitler then centralized his power via a Nazi dictatorship which led to the holocaust and attempt at world domination. All made possible by democracy like rule. .

See above in a democracy majority rule which I was using the two demigods as a comparison would allow total power unlike our three teir system of Representative republic democracy...

Hitler's party never did win the election. He was only able to rise to power after being appointed Chancellor (not from being voted to Chancellor either) and amending the constitution to give him the power to make law. Neither of the two figures you mentioned were ever elected to their positions but were smart enough to seize power and demolish democracy.

I'm not sure that there's enough reason to be fearful of democracy leading to terrible outcomes (at least compared with the US system).

Still compared to Clinton he was the 'better' pick. If Benghazi had not been on Clinton's plate I could have voted for her. But as a vet I couldn't do it on that debacle alone. Sorry.

Just keep in mind thought that before we learned how bad some of those military mistakes were, Trump is on record having supported them before more recently stating that he didn't. For example in 2011 he is on video stating that the US should go into Libya and remove Gadhafi. He also says that he opposed the Iraq war but in 2002 he wasn't against it. Granted he didn't have a strong position on it, but he was 'kind of' for it. The fact that he denies these things is a red flag, imo, because it shows how much of a blatant liar he is.

Having said that, I'm not a Hillary fan. I just become exasperate when people treat Trump like some hero; a great person. That's what I thought you were getting at, which is why I responded. Now it looks like you simply think him the better of two evils, so I was mistaken.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Our country is in trouble. I was so saddened watching this coverage last night. These people burning the American flag, the violence and destruction. All because their candidate lost? My God, what is wrong with these people?

:"What's wrong with these people" is RIGHT!

My gawd! Is this an example of the "new liberal mind set"?
Like it or not Trump was fairly elected and is our President and as
such deserves respect and the OPPORTUNITY to serve us well.
SERVE US well.
At least Mr. Trump owes NO special interest groups anything.
One reason I'm totally surprised he won!

And YES we voted for him because we could not vote for her majesty.
Kind of Trump by a bit of default to us.
Let's hope he follow through and serves us well.
We've had much worse. After all we survived B.J. Bill.:facepalm::facepalm:
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
These protests are generally peaceful till rowdy 'anarchists' show up for the fun, agents provocateurs try to foment violence, or the police decide they need to impose order.
 
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