Anti-vaxers; The Real Issue.

[Revoltingest]

Let's see now according to Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity
Minorities make up the largest number of non-vacinated.
So, are some of you saying that minorites are Republicans?

I've noticed too that it's popular to attack white conservatives.
But they just can't bring themselves to criticize minorities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not who, what. And the answer is that we are living in a capitalist culture. And capitalism is really just systematized greed.

Systematized greed is the best greed.
Heaven help us if it were replaced with the altruism of N Korea.
I don't feel fearful at all.
Just greedy.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

What????

I do believe the media landscape tells us that we desperately need the vax. I've seen not one anti-vax on broadcast news. You can't find it on Facebook or twitter either (they get banned). Between those three things, a huge chunk of the population gets their information.

I am confused. Are you saying that we do not need to apply medical technology to address a pandemic? What are you advocating?

On the other hand, it's not always wrong to distrust one's government. The world might be a better place if Germans didn't trust their government in the 1940s.

Apparently, a lot of people didn't trust the last one we had. So, maybe that is your wish in action.

 

[Kooky]

To reduce it to anti-vaxers being unthinking, uncaring, ignorant, etc, is just nor keeping pace with reality. It's a very complex issue.

Who actually said this?

 

[rrobs]

Pause and reconsider what?

If you don't know, then just ignore.

That they lack trust does not mean that what they lack trust in is untrustworthy. And I do not agree with your numbers. Surveys indicate that those that always consider themselves against vaccines run about 8-10% of the population or about 30,000,000 people.

First of all, I'm talking about Covid vaccine. The number of fully un-vaccinated is indeed around half.

What has persuaded you away from the anti-vax position? Are we to infer that it is a trust of government and the healthcare system?

Perhaps I should have said I'm not pro-vax either. Again, my post is not about the benefits or problems with the vax. I just thought others might share in my wondering why half the population mistrusts their government.

Is the current president the legitimately elected president of the US?

There's a debate going on about that very thing. I'm not part of it.

Was the previous president legitimately elected president of the US?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Oh yes, it's that simple...the Dems are right and the Reps are wrong. Nice tidy view of the world. Of course it bears little resemblance to actual reality.

Making complex issues simple cause all sorts of division. As much as we say, "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it," we seldom consider the problems caused by division. We just keep inventing new divisions.

To reduce division requires efforts from both sides of the division. Of course, it is those of us in the middle of the division that bear the brunt of being stretched and squeezed.

 

[rrobs]

I am confused. Are you saying that we do not need to apply medical technology to address a pandemic? What are you advocating?

Sorry to confuse you, but I'm confused also. Here's what I said,

"I do believe the media landscape tells us that we desperately need the vax. I've seen not one anti-vax on broadcast news. You can't find it on Facebook or twitter either (they get banned). Between those three things, a huge chunk of the population gets their information."​

Where does medical technology come in there?

Apparently, a lot of people didn't trust the last one we had. So, maybe that is your wish in action.

You are talking about individuals. I'm trying to talk about systems.

Is it a good system when at any given time half the population mistrusts their government? Is it OK not to trust it when one party is in power, but not OK when another party has the reigns?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Let's see now according to Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity
Minorities make up the largest number of non-vacinated.
So, are some of you saying that minorites are Republicans?

I don't think anyone said that. Maybe I missed it.

I thought the question was the source of the mistrust. Those minorities and their numbers of unvaccinated may be a result and not part of the cause. Your source says they account for the largest percentage of unvaccinated adults, but it doesn't say why that is. It also says that vaccinations among minorities is also surging and the racial gap may be narrowing.

 

[rrobs]

Who actually said this?

Wow! I guess you don't get out very often.

 

[rrobs]

To reduce division requires efforts from both sides of the division. Of course, it is those of us in the middle of the division that bear the brunt of being stretched and squeezed.

Well said. Of course you and I know that true unity is found in the Lord's family. We may not see it yet (1 Cor 13:12), but we will when Jesus makes his second advent.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Sorry to confuse you, but I'm confused also. Here's what I said,

"I do believe the media landscape tells us that we desperately need the vax. I've seen not one anti-vax on broadcast news. You can't find it on Facebook or twitter either (they get banned). Between those three things, a huge chunk of the population gets their information."​

Where does medical technology come in there?

I know what you said. My question goes to your first statement regarding what the media landscape tell us. The way you worded it makes me wonder that you don't think we need a vaccine.

You are talking about individuals. I'm trying to talk about systems.

You opened the door. And I am talking about groups and systems too.

Is it a good system when at any given time half the population mistrusts their government? Is it OK not to trust it when one party is in power, but not OK when another party has the reigns?

It might not be a good system. It might also be that the half of the population comprising mistrusters is susceptible to propaganda outside of the actions of government. The system can be evaluated based on what it produces, but that does not mean that the products don't require evaluation or that they are 100% unadulterated. I am not casting the government as blameless, but there are other sources that mislead people outside of governments.

Not trusting the government is fine. Deciding to throw an insurrection out of what a group believes is the truth, is not.

 

[rrobs]

Ah, I see you haven't used the Internet before 2019.

Not sure why it's relevant, but I in fact was a very early adopter or the internet. Before Internet Explorer even.

Because as we all know, Germans in the early 1940s were living under a democratically elected regime that was very sensitive to dissent and did not, oh, put hundreds of thousands of its own citizens into literal death camps.

I think that's exactly what I was saying. Of course there's no way that could ever happen again. NOT!

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Well said. Of course you and I know that true unity is found in the Lord's family. We may not see it yet (1 Cor 13:12), but we will when Jesus makes his second advent.

And yet, Christians are found on both sides of the issue.

 

[rrobs]

I know what you said. My question goes to your first statement regarding what the media landscape tell us. The way you worded it makes me wonder that you don't think we need a vaccine.

You opened the door. And I am talking about groups and systems too.

It might not be a good system. It might also be that the half of the population comprising mistrusters is susceptible to propaganda outside of the actions of government. The system can be evaluated based on what it produces, but that does not mean that the products don't require evaluation or that they are 100% unadulterated. I am not casting the government as blameless, but there are other sources that mislead people outside of governments.

Not trusting the government is fine. Deciding to throw an insurrection out of what a group believes is the truth, is not.

Well, I agree that the government is not the whole problem. The media (broadcast, cable, internet) has a huge impact on society. It gets really bad when government and media share the same bed.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No. I would say it depends more on the reasoning than anything else. My sister doesn't want the vaccine, and though I think she is unwise in this regard, I don't think she is against vaccines.

My aunt, on the other hand, thinks the government is injecting nano-bots into people. She's an antivaxer.

Those things don't need to be injected. They can be put in the water supply or disseminated in the air.

 

[Kooky]

I think that's exactly what I was saying. Of course there's no way that could ever happen again. NOT!

And yet you bemoan the "disunity" of half of America resisting their own government.
Does that mean you'd rather have everyone refusing to get COVID shots instead?

 

[rrobs]

And yet, Christians are found on both sides of the issue.

Yes, but as I said, when Jesus reappears we'll all see where we failed at right doctrinal. Maybe you and I can meet over coffee (or whatever your choice of beverage) and have a good laugh at how much we both missed of the truth in this life.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Is someone still an “antivaxxer” if they took several vaccines before no problem but does not like the idea of taking the Covid vaccines?

Episodic anti-vaxxer?

 

[rrobs]

And yet you bemoan the "disunity" of half of America resisting their own government.

I didn't bemoan anything. I just stated the obvious. Half of America is not vaxed. I'm just pondering why that might be the case.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Yes, but as I said, when Jesus reappears we'll all see where we failed at right doctrinal. Maybe you and I can meet over coffee (or whatever your choice of beverage) and have a good laugh at how much we both missed of the truth in this life.

Then why bother worrying about and questioning this at all?

If the people you don't agree with are going to get theirs, then easy peasy.

Of course that implies that the person saying it is correct and somehow is privy to the mind of God.

Why don't we keep this to the subject of your OP. Unless you are going to preach about how Democrats are the tool of Satan. Then I am out of here.