Anti-White Loan Forgiveness

[Nakosis]

Is it a fair policy to offer loan forgiveness on the basis of skin color?

U.S. Farmers Of Color Were About To Get Loan Forgiveness. Now The Program Is On Hold

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

 

[Audie]

Is it a fair policy to offer loan forgiveness on the basis of skin color?

U.S. Farmers Of Color Were About To Get Loan Forgiveness. Now The Program Is On Hold

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

Is that even the topic?

 

[sun rise]

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

I think that it's not an easy decision. Of course equal treatment going forward is primary. And there are people who have in their lives suffered from unequal treatment and those people should find redress. Also, people living today are partially the product of the environment their parents and grandparents experienced.

IF we truly had equal treatment going forward which we don't today, in a couple of generations we should let the past be the past. But we're not there yet.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So they are trying to fix racism using a racist policy?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

Yes.

 

[AlexanderG]

If I wrong someone, and then I repay them and not you because I never wronged you, am I discriminating against you? Because that's the argument you're making.

Consider, perhaps:

1. Black people were effectively excluded from the Homestead Act which gave away millions of acres of land for free to white US settlers.
2. The most common professions undertaken by black people were specifically excluded from Social Security at the time this program was created and for many years after.
3. The Wagner Act, enacted at the same time as Social Security, allowed for creation of the labor unions that would catapult white America into the middle class. This Act allowed unions to exclude non-whites, and most unions were entirely white until the 1970's.
4. After WWII, when the New Deal enabled big financial aid for first time home buyers, black people were specifically excluded.
5. According to a PBS article on this subject, "Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites. Of the 350,000 new homes built with federal support in northern California between 1946 and 1960, fewer than 100 went to African Americans."

Consider also that the largest determinant of a person's income, education, and health, is that person's parents' income and education. Can you start to see why maybe the people whose great-grandparents were illiterate penniless slaves because of our laws, and whose subsequent family were systematically excluded from government programs to subsidize property ownership, should get a little bit of a boost from our government today?

We have a lot of mistakes of the past to make up for. That's just doing what's right. Believe it or not, I'm not advocating for white people to "hate themselves" or "see themselves as oppressors." I am white and while I'm not responsible for any of the factors that gave rise to the current unfair situation, I'm here now and I can help make things more fair at long last. I want to live in a more fair country, so this would actually benefit me as well as black people. This really isn't hard.

 

[Revoltingest]

So they are trying to fix racism using a racist policy?

I don't think that fixing anything is the goal.
The benefits accrue based upon race, not upon
having actually suffered due to race. Its about
appearances & votes.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Is it a fair policy to offer loan forgiveness on the basis of skin color?

U.S. Farmers Of Color Were About To Get Loan Forgiveness. Now The Program Is On Hold

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

Roland Martin has an answer to that I knew someone on RF would eventually bring this up

/End Thread

 

[Fool]

I don't think that fixing anything is the goal.
The benefits accrue based upon race, not upon
having actually suffered due to race. Its about
appearances & votes.

you don't cotton to critical race theory?

 

[Revoltingest]

you don't cotton to critical race theory?

I appreciate the opportunity to answer that question.
I've stayed out of that discussion because CRT means
different things to different people. It's a no win situation.

I do cotton to teaching the history & existence of racist
systems in the context of overall history. (Some will call
that CRT. I don't use the term....too much baggage.)
This should & can be done to foster better historical
understanding without demonization of anyone.

 

[Stevicus]

Is it a fair policy to offer loan forgiveness on the basis of skin color?

U.S. Farmers Of Color Were About To Get Loan Forgiveness. Now The Program Is On Hold

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

Banks definitely have such an obligation. I don't think it's anything the taxpayers should have to foot the bill for. Since the business community made all the money from slavery, racism, imperialism, and exploitation, then it's the business community which must pay. Leave the people out of it.

 

[Fool]

I appreciate the opportunity to answer that question.
I've stayed out of that discussion because CRT means
different things to different people. It's a no win situation.

I do cotton to teaching the history & existence of racist
systems in the context of overall history. (Some will call
that CRT. I don't use the term....too much baggage.)
This should & can be done to foster better historical
understanding without demonization of anyone.

demonic, self centered people exist. race and discrimination are often based on observation of social constructs that don't have any scientific merit to qualification. justice is blind for a reason. if you can't learn from the past, history, you're doomed to repeat it in some other form, time, and place.

its even happening now to the disproportionate number of blacks in prison systems.

there are cameras everywhere. we don't have to worry about big brother anymore. everyone is watching. smile you're on candid camera

 

[Revoltingest]

demonic, self centered people exist. race and discrimination are often based on observation of social constructs that don't have any scientific merit to qualification. justice is blind for a reason. if you can't learn from the past, history, you're doomed to repeat it in some other form, time, and place.

its even happening now to the disproportionate number of blacks in prison systems.

there are cameras everywhere. we don't have to worry about big brother anymore. everyone is watching. smile you're on candid camera

It sounds like we're roughly on the same page.
History...with all its warts, complexities, & inspirations,
is worth learning & retaining, lest we repeat mistakes.

BTW, justice isn't entirely blind.
But it's a great goal.

 

[Fool]

It sounds like we're roughly on the same page.
History...with all its warts, complexities, & inspirations,
is worth learning & retaining, lest we repeat mistakes.

But justice isn't entirely blind.

there is an inner blindness that is enlightened by hearing and understanding. see?


Pythagoras taught behind a curtain

 

[Revoltingest]

there is an inner blindness that is enlightened by hearing and understanding. see?


Pythagoras taught behind a curtain

That's too deep for me.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Is it a fair policy to offer loan forgiveness on the basis of skin color?

U.S. Farmers Of Color Were About To Get Loan Forgiveness. Now The Program Is On Hold

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

How does this article fit into your narrative?

How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans

WARNING: it’s history, it may be hazardous to racist’s health

 

[epronovost]

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

Yes, if you commit a crime against a group of person you have a legal and moral obligation to make up for those mistakes in one way or another. You can't steal someone's wealth and workforce and then after a couple of decades promise you'll stop and then never do anything else ever again. You got to give that wealth and workforce back at some point else it would be a travesty of justice. Plus, how can you claim to take steps toward equal treatment if you are no even willing to fix your passed mistakes?

 

[74x12]

Is it a fair policy to offer loan forgiveness on the basis of skin color?

U.S. Farmers Of Color Were About To Get Loan Forgiveness. Now The Program Is On Hold

Why not take steps to ensure equal treatment going forward?
Or do we have an obligation to make up for mistakes of the past?

No it's not fair. Furthermore it's illegal to discriminate based on such things.

Just more illegal pandering of the democrats. The reason democracy in Athens failed (404 BC) is because of demagoguery like this.

The thing is that democrats seem to think everything will go on as it does now. They should look at trends. Nothing ever stays the same. Everything is in flux, trending at all times. Everything is trending towards disaster if we continue to allow such irresponsibility.

As for making up for past mistakes ... when does it end? How much is enough? Who gets what? Should we right all the wrongs of the past? Why stop at just racism? Many people have been wronged by the government in the past for many reasons.

You cannot fix the mistakes of the past. The USA is already trillions in debt and the irresponsibility must stop or else.

This is a barely concealed attempt by radical leftists to redistribute the wealth and bring in communism under the guise of "fixing racism". Communism is a failed ideology and it has failed everywhere it has ever been attempted. It only ends in tyranny and poverty for all; except the for elitest oligarchs on top.

 

[epronovost]

The reason democracy in Athens failed (404 BC) is because of demagoguery like this.

The Athenian democracy collapsed following the Peloponnesian War and the failed imperial ambitions of Athens. It was later restored only to collapse once more after the city fell under the rule of the Macedonians in 323 BC. It had nothing to do with giving more power to the poor or oppressed classes of Athens.

 

[74x12]

The Athenian democracy collapsed following the Peloponnesian War and the failed imperial ambitions of Athens. It was later restored only to collapse once more after the city fell under the rule of the Macedonians in 323 BC. It had nothing to do with giving more power to the poor or oppressed classes of Athens.

The democracy had spiraled into rule by tyrants who did anything the mob wanted in exchange for votes. Some would say Sparta did Athens a favor by stopping the madness and constant instability.