I'll allow it. I am an Oregonian, we understand getting baked.I meant to spell it that way because my atheism was baked in or maybe I'm just hungry!
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I'll allow it. I am an Oregonian, we understand getting baked.I meant to spell it that way because my atheism was baked in or maybe I'm just hungry!
I'll allow it. I am an Oregonian, we understand getting baked. View attachment 16683
I on occasion like saying God almighty or God-...As soon as a problem happens the first thing many atheists say is "God help us."
Hardly, although I might say it whilst rolling my eyes in exasperation. It's simply a colloquial expression in my neck of paradise.As soon as a problem happens the first thing many atheists say is "God help us."
As soon as a problem happens the first thing many atheists say is "God help us."
I'm wondering if any other atheists here have ever had a "spiritual" experience. I've put the word "spiritual" in quotes because as atheists, we don't tend to believe in spirits. But, I don't know of another word to describe the feeling or experience that I mean.
I had the opportunity to go on a brief meditation retreat yesterday. It was 6 hours of varying types of meditation, all in silence. During one of the walking meditations, I became a little irritated. There I was on my day off of work walking through the grass barefoot on a cold afternoon, unable to speak, and unable to connect with my wife who was there as well. I wanted to walk with her. Then, it occurred to me that I really was walking with her. We just were not side-by-side nor were we communicating. But we were both walking, together in a way. And it occurred to me that I was walking with everyone at the retreat, and really everyone in the world. I began to feel a deep sense of connectedness. I thought of theists who describe their "walk with god," and it occurred to me that maybe I understood what they mean. I felt that I was walking on a spiritual journey with all of humankind, and really, all life and all concepts. It was a profoundly spiritual experience.
- Here is a quote from a fictional character who was a doctor and fierce atheist, in the TV series "House".
- "I choose to believe that the white light people sometimes see... they're all just chemical reactions that take place when the brain shuts down.... There's no conclusive science. My choice has no practical relevance to my life, I choose the outcome I find more comforting.... I find it more comforting to believe that this isn't simply a test." Dr Gregory House
I'm wondering if any other atheists here have ever had a "spiritual" experience. I've put the word "spiritual" in quotes because as atheists, we don't tend to believe in spirits. But, I don't know of another word to describe the feeling or experience that I mean.
I had the opportunity to go on a brief meditation retreat yesterday. It was 6 hours of varying types of meditation, all in silence. During one of the walking meditations, I became a little irritated. There I was on my day off of work walking through the grass barefoot on a cold afternoon, unable to speak, and unable to connect with my wife who was there as well. I wanted to walk with her. Then, it occurred to me that I really was walking with her. We just were not side-by-side nor were we communicating. But we were both walking, together in a way. And it occurred to me that I was walking with everyone at the retreat, and really everyone in the world. I began to feel a deep sense of connectedness. I thought of theists who describe their "walk with god," and it occurred to me that maybe I understood what they mean. I felt that I was walking on a spiritual journey with all of humankind, and really, all life and all concepts. It was a profoundly spiritual experience.
I loved that show, but I also remember how pissed i was when he said that. Just because he, or anyone, finds it more comforting to believe it isn't a test, doesn't mean it isn't. That statement is nothing more than an argument against human life having meaning. What would motivate someone to adopt that preference?
By that definition, yes - I've had plenty of "spiritual" experiences. I just don't attribute them to anything I'd associate with "spirits".While we're at it, for an alternative definition of "spiritual", one that might make more sense than most to the nontheist, go here.
While this isn't my experience, I've never understoood why some theists think that an atheist appealing to God when they're at their most desperate and least rational is somehow a point in theism's favour.As soon as a problem happens the first thing many atheists say is "God help us."
Yeah I had a few.I'm wondering if any other atheists here have ever had a "spiritual" experience. I've put the word "spiritual" in quotes because as atheists, we don't tend to believe in spirits. But, I don't know of another word to describe the feeling or experience that I mean.
I had the opportunity to go on a brief meditation retreat yesterday. It was 6 hours of varying types of meditation, all in silence. During one of the walking meditations, I became a little irritated. There I was on my day off of work walking through the grass barefoot on a cold afternoon, unable to speak, and unable to connect with my wife who was there as well. I wanted to walk with her. Then, it occurred to me that I really was walking with her. We just were not side-by-side nor were we communicating. But we were both walking, together in a way. And it occurred to me that I was walking with everyone at the retreat, and really everyone in the world. I began to feel a deep sense of connectedness. I thought of theists who describe their "walk with god," and it occurred to me that maybe I understood what they mean. I felt that I was walking on a spiritual journey with all of humankind, and really, all life and all concepts. It was a profoundly spiritual experience.
Not an atheist but let me ask you if you would consider an emotionless experience to be spiritual? I think it would be more spiritual than an emotional one. Most people do not thrill over non-emotional things. For example I like trees, but I don't like Mathematical descriptions of trees unless I am trained to appreciate that. Where do the emotions end and the spiritual appreciations begin? Is my liking trees emotional or spiritual? I like it, so I have an emotion when I see it but I am not deeply interested in its abstract quality, since that does not thrill me.I'm wondering if any other atheists here have ever had a "spiritual" experience. I've put the word "spiritual" in quotes because as atheists, we don't tend to believe in spirits. But, I don't know of another word to describe the feeling or experience that I mean.
You physically need your wife, so I think there is more emotion than spirituality to imagining her with you when she is gone; but the feeling that you are connected to everyone I think is a little more transcendent. It is not normal to leave your house and find someone you don't like, then spend time with them; so that must be spiritual. It feels normal to stay at home and spend time with those you love, so that is not spiritual.I had the opportunity to go on a brief meditation retreat yesterday. It was 6 hours of varying types of meditation, all in silence. During one of the walking meditations, I became a little irritated. There I was on my day off of work walking through the grass barefoot on a cold afternoon, unable to speak, and unable to connect with my wife who was there as well. I wanted to walk with her. Then, it occurred to me that I really was walking with her. We just were not side-by-side nor were we communicating. But we were both walking, together in a way. And it occurred to me that I was walking with everyone at the retreat, and really everyone in the world. I began to feel a deep sense of connectedness. I thought of theists who describe their "walk with god," and it occurred to me that maybe I understood what they mean. I felt that I was walking on a spiritual journey with all of humankind, and really, all life and all concepts. It was a profoundly spiritual experience.
Well, he was just asserting his atheism. If he was to believe that life is or could be a test, that would imply some implicit intelligence behind existence. I agree that it can be seen as nothing more than an argument against human life having meaning, however, I took it as to mean that we each have to put meaning into our own lives.
That's probably way close to the new testament and much of the old testament. The magical wizard that monotheism has (evolved devolved?) Into is really just a product of mostly the intellectizing at the university level. Not totally but alot.Yes I have had an enlightenment experience, it changed my whole life for the better, in my experience I realized there is no god, that we are all One in Consciousness, there is nothing outside this Consciousness, and the only thing that separates us is our belief we are separate, and so we make up belief systems such as religion to bring us back to where we already are, its quite funny.
Trees!! They are just waiting for us to go extinct and then they are taking over the joint!! Science is leading the way!!!Not an atheist but let me ask you if you would consider an emotionless experience to be spiritual? I think it would be more spiritual than an emotional one. Most people do not thrill over non-emotional things. For example I like trees, but I don't like Mathematical descriptions of trees unless I am trained to appreciate that. Where do the emotions end and the spiritual appreciations begin? Is my liking trees emotional or spiritual? I like it, so I have an emotion when I see it but I am not deeply interested in its abstract quality, since that does not thrill me.
You physically need your wife, so I think there is more emotion than spirituality to imagining her with you when she is gone; but the feeling that you are connected to everyone I think is a little more transcendent. It is not normal to leave your house and find someone you don't like, then spend time with them; so that must be spiritual. It feels normal to stay at home and spend time with those you love, so that is not spiritual.