Any JW want to take a stab at this one?

[Skwim]

From the Jehovah Witnesses publication,

AWAKE! JANUARY 2014

"WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

God did not make life in a simple form and allow it to evolve into more complex forms. Instead, he created basic “kinds” of complex plants and animals, which then reproduced “according to their kinds.” (Genesis 1:11, 21, 24) This process, which continues today, has resulted in the earth being filled with the same “kinds” of life that God originally created.—Psalm 89:11.

The Bible does not specify how much variation can occur within a kind, as might result when animals within a kind interbreed and adapt to their environment. While some view such adaptations as a form of evolution, no new kind of life is produced. Modern research supports the idea that the basic categories of plants and animals have changed little over vast periods of time.
WHY IT MATTERS

The Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life strengthens its credibility in other areas, including history and prophecy.
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Show where the Bible describes the basic "kinds" of life with scientific accuracy. And it will help if you tell us exactly what a kind is so we're all on the same page.

 

[Sapiens]

I guess there's just one kind, LIFE. Then it all works.

 

[Nietzsche]

Pft, this is so simple. You non-believers are such dummies!

Fish are things like sharks, whale-sharks, tuna, bass, whales, dolphins & such.

And clearly, birds are robins, sparrows, eagles & bats.

Then you got your bugs, and your four-legged flying bugs..

How hard is that?

 

[Skwim]

Pft, this is so simple. You non-believers are such dummies!

Fish are things like sharks, whale-sharks, tuna, bass, whales, dolphins & such.

And clearly, birds are robins, sparrows, eagles & bats.

Then you got your bugs, and your four-legged flying bugs..

How hard is that?

Of course!

When you splain it like that everything falls into place.

But I'm still waiting for an answer to my request, "Show where the Bible describes the basic "kinds" of life with scientific accuracy."​

 

[Skwim]

Bumped to give any JW who may have missed my request a chance to answer. Of course if none do then the message is pretty clear: "The Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life is just so much pretentious blather put out there for the unquestioning masses.

 

[Skwim]

Okay. 100 views and no takers, so I think it's fair to conclude that the Awake remark that

"The Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life" is just so much pretentious blather put out there for the unquestioning masses.

Kind of sad when one thinks about it, although I guess it's no worse then all of the creationist B S that's being spread around.

 

[JayJayDee]

Gen 1: 11, 12..."Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds."

Vegetation. Grass, fruit trees...food for living creatures provided before there was any creatures to eat them.
Did grass become fish? Insects? Animals?

Gen 1:20-28..."Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 Then God said: “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds, domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God went on to make the wild animals of the earth according to their kinds and the domestic animals according to their kinds and all the creeping animals of the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

There they are. How hard is it? All living things designed to fit their habitat and to replicate their "kind" indefinitely.

 

[Skwim]

Gen 1: 11, 12..."Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds."

Vegetation. Grass, fruit trees...food for living creatures provided before there was any creatures to eat them.
Did grass become fish? Insects? Animals?

Gen 1:20-28..."Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 Then God said: “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds, domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God went on to make the wild animals of the earth according to their kinds and the domestic animals according to their kinds and all the creeping animals of the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

There they are. How hard is it? All living things designed to fit their habitat and to replicate their "kind" indefinitely.

That's it?? This is an example of the Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life"??? You've got to be kidding. You would have been better off not to have said anything at all.

 

[JayJayDee]

That's it?? This is an example of the Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life"??? You've got to be kidding. You would have been better off not to have said anything at all.

If this is good enough for God...sorry it isn't good enough for you. The Bible does not pretend to be a science textbook, but when it touches on matters of science, it is very accurate.

 

[jeager106]

That's it?? This is an example of the Bible’s scientific accuracy in describing basic “kinds” of life"??? You've got to be kidding. You would have been better off not to have said anything at all.

Frankly Skwim, it's you who would be better off saying nothing at all rather than spread your sour, spoiled, depressive,
attitude on everyone everywhere.

 

[Skwim]

If this is good enough for God...sorry it isn't good enough for you. The Bible does not pretend to be a science textbook, but when it touches on matters of science, it is very accurate.

If you're unable to answer the question, which you obviously can't, then so be it, but don't pretend the claim wasn't made in your magazine. Makes you look kind of foolish.

Frankly Skwim, it's you who would be better off saying nothing at all rather than spread your sour, spoiled, depressive,
attitude on everyone everywhere.

Hey, If you can't answer the question you can't answer the question---you and JJD working together here?---but no one's going to give you a failing grade on your lack of ability, so no need to your panties in a bunch. In any case, thanks for the ill-considered advice; it puts your character in better perspective.

 

[Ouroboros]

Gen 1: 11, 12..."Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds."

Vegetation. Grass, fruit trees...food for living creatures provided before there was any creatures to eat them.
Did grass become fish? Insects? Animals?

"Let the earth cause..." So according to your faith and your Bible, Earth caused the existence of plants, based on God's command? Do you agree? God didn't directly create plants, but Earth created plants on God's order. Correct?

Evolution is that.

Also, does it say how it produced or caused the plants, or the animals after? How did the sky produce the living creatures? How did the sea produce sea creatures? It doesn't say!!! It could be just as well be that sea, land, and sky produced the "kinds" based on the previous "kinds". It doesn't say. In all, the story supports Evolution, not special creation. It doesn't support that God directly produced each and every species or kind, but that the world produced it on God's command.

 

[dust1n]

I'm confused. So what "kinds" are there according to the Bible. It just says things are put into their "kinds," but nothing is actually stated about what any of these kinds are and what it means to be a kind.

 

[JayJayDee]

If you're unable to answer the question, which you obviously can't, then so be it, but don't pretend the claim wasn't made in your magazine. Makes you look kind of foolish.

No, what would be foolish is to explain what the Bible does not. The categories are clearly stated and the "kinds" are also clearly defined.

Gen 1:20-28..."Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 Then God said: “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds, domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God went on to make the wild animals of the earth according to their kinds and the domestic animals according to their kinds and all the creeping animals of the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

So "kinds" are those which do not become something outside of their designation and habitat. Sea creatures do not become land animals and vice versa. Domestic animals are different from wild animals. Flying creatures would include all winged things. Their "kind" would keep insects as insects and birds as birds, bats as bats. The creeping animals are also another "kind". It seems very clear to me. I believe that science supports Genesis.

Hey, If you can't answer the question you can't answer the question---you and JJD working together here?---but no one's going to give you a failing grade on your lack of ability, so no need to your panties in a bunch. In any case, thanks for the ill-considered advice; it puts your character in better perspective.

Was that called for? The questions has been answered to our satisfaction...it will never be answered to yours.

 

[Skwim]

No, what would be foolish is to explain what the Bible does not. The categories are clearly stated and the "kinds" are also clearly defined.

Gen 1:20-28..."Then God said: “Let the waters swarm with living creatures, and let flying creatures fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens.” 21 And God created the great sea creatures and all living creatures that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 With that God blessed them, saying: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the waters of the sea, and let the flying creatures become many in the earth.” 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 Then God said: “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds, domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25 And God went on to make the wild animals of the earth according to their kinds and the domestic animals according to their kinds and all the creeping animals of the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” 27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

So "kinds" are those which do not become something outside of their designation and habitat. Sea creatures do not become land animals and vice versa. Domestic animals are different from wild animals. Flying creatures would include all winged things. Their "kind" would keep insects as insects and birds as birds, bats as bats. The creeping animals are also another "kind". It seems very clear to me. I believe that science supports Genesis.

Obviously you haven't a clue as to what "scientific accuracy" means, and neither does Awake's anonymous author.

 

[JayJayDee]

"Let the earth cause..." So according to your faith and your Bible, Earth caused the existence of plants, based on God's command? Do you agree? God didn't directly create plants, but Earth created plants on God's order. Correct?

LOL... nice try.

The Creator is hardly going to make vegetation grow in thin air. God raised the vegetation from the soil, just as we would plant flowers in a garden. He made all things to produce seed and continue to perpetuate the life he started. Everything is designed to go on reproducing life, with no intervention from its Maker.

Evolution is that.

No, evolution is not that at all. Can you tell me how grass came from the simple cell of first life and then gradually became animals birds and sea creatures. Regardless of how many millions of years you believe it took....that is way more of a stretch than anything we believe. Genesis is much more believable. All life comes from pre-existing life as science knows....except when it comes to evolution. Life just popped into existence out of nowhere and turned itself undirected into all the living things who have ever existed. Random chance is so very clever....it just needs a few million years to work its magic.

Also, does it say how it produced or caused the plants, or the animals after? How did the sky produce the living creatures? How did the sea produce sea creatures? It doesn't say!!! It could be just as well be that sea, land, and sky produced the "kinds" based on the previous "kinds". It doesn't say. In all, the story supports Evolution, not special creation. It doesn't support that God directly produced each and every species or kind, but that the world produced it on God's command.

You can read it any way you like but you will never come to see a Creator. It's OK, you don't have to believe in him...but he will introduce himself one day and then you will believe.....albeit too late. He doesn't need you to believe in him...but he wishes you would.

 

[Skwim]

No, evolution is not that at all. Can you tell me how grass came from the simple cell of first life and then gradually became animals birds and sea creatures. Regardless of how many millions of years you believe it took....that is way more of a stretch than anything we believe. Genesis is much more believable.

Ah ha. The argument from incredulity raises its ugly head again.

All life comes from pre-existing life as science knows....except when it comes to evolution. Life just popped into existence out of nowhere and turned itself undirected into all the living things who have ever existed. Random chance is so very clever....it just needs a few million years to work its magic.

And the argument from deliberate ignorance no less, and--- *sigh*--- again. You do realize, don't you, that we all know you've been told that first cause has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Yet you drag it out time and again to chew on like an old slipper. You have my sympathies.

 

[Ouroboros]

LOL... nice try.

The Creator is hardly going to make vegetation grow in thin air. God raised the vegetation from the soil, just as we would plant flowers in a garden.

It doesn't say that. You're making an assumption about the text that it says something that it doesn't.

He made all things to produce seed and continue to perpetuate the life he started. Everything is designed to go on reproducing life, with no intervention from its Maker.

It doesn't say that. You're making your own scriptures.

No, evolution is not that at all. Can you tell me how grass came from the simple cell of first life and then gradually became animals birds and sea creatures.

Your God can't do that? My God can. Ergo, my God is more powerful than yours.

Regardless of how many millions of years you believe it took....that is way more of a stretch than anything we believe.

Never underestimate God's power and potential.

Genesis is much more believable.

Only if you believe that God is incapable of doing great things.

All life comes from pre-existing life as science knows....except when it comes to evolution. Life just popped into existence out of nowhere and turned itself undirected into all the living things who have ever existed. Random chance is so very clever....it just needs a few million years to work its magic.

Eh. So you believe God can't do that. Create the first life and then let it evolve to all life forms just because it sounds impossible. Again, your belief is small.

You can read it any way you like but you will never come to see a Creator.

And you can never believe in a greater God and Creator than mine.

It's OK, you don't have to believe in him...

I don't believe in your TINY God. I believe in my GREAT God who is greater than yours.

but he will introduce himself one day and then you will believe.....albeit too late. He doesn't need you to believe in him...but he wishes you would.

My God already introduced himself to me, but that's okay. You can continue to believe in a childish and impotent God. My God can do miracles like using evolution to produce life. Your God can't.

 

[Sapiens]

LOL... nice try.

... Can you tell me how grass came from the simple cell of first life and then gradually became animals birds and sea creatures.

LOL ... nice try. Would you be so kind as to show us where anyone (except you and your fellow travelers) has ever claimed that grass became animals birds and sea creatures?

 

[Skwim]

LOL ... nice try. Would you be so kind as to show us where anyone (except you and your fellow travelers) has ever claimed that grass became animals birds and sea creatures?

Yeah, that one is simply too sad for words.