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Anyone else uncomfortable with the fact that America is conducting military ops in 120+ countries

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Is there anything American's can do to stop the world wide covert war they spend a significant portion of their tax money paying for?

Uncomfortable? I makes me downright angry and depressed.

I do what I can. Speak up. Buy local wherever and however. I vote for representatives and legislators who least follow the imperialist agenda. And I am trying to convince people I know to be a part of a dance revolution.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Uncomfortable? I makes me downright angry and depressed.

I do what I can. Speak up. Buy local wherever and however. I vote for representatives and legislators who least follow the imperialist agenda. And I am trying to convince people I know to be a part of a dance revolution.
Put me down for participating in a dance revolution! :yes:
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I asked a question about specific individuals of another poster,
looking for more than vague generalized conspiracy feelings.

You know, Rev, every single time I bother to read and reply to one of your posts, this is the kind of brainless, condescending garbage you come up with. I'm going to save us both some time and go back to filtering your posts.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Given the centrality of the arc of instability to Bush administration thinking, it was hardly surprising that it launched wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and carried out limited strikes in three other arc states—Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia. Nor should anyone have been shocked that it also deployed elite military forces and special operators from the Central Intelligence Agency elsewhere within the arc.

In his book The One Percent Doctrine, journalist Ron Suskind reported on CIA plans, unveiled in September 2001 and known as the "Worldwide Attack Matrix," for"detailed operations against terrorists in 80 countries." At about the same time, then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld proclaimed that the nation had embarked on "a large multi-headed effort that probably spans 60 countries." By the end of the Bush years, the Pentagon would indeed have special operations forces deployed in 60 countries around the world.

It has been the Obama administration, however, that has embraced the concept far more fully and engaged the region even more broadly. Last year, the Washington Post reported that US had deployed special operations forces in 75 countries, from South America to Central Asia. Recently, however, US Special Operations Command spokesman Colonel Tim Nye told me that on any given day, America's elite troops are working in about 70 countries, and that its country total by year's end would be around 120. These forces are engaged in a host of missions, from Army Rangers involved in conventional combat in Afghanistan to the team of Navy SEALs who assassinated Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, to trainers from the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines within US Special Operations Command working globally from the Dominican Republic to Yemen.

The United States is now involved in wars in six arc-of-instability nations: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen. It has military personnel deployed in other arc states, including Algeria, Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, and the United Arab Emirates. Of these countries, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates all host US military bases, while the CIA is reportedly building a secret base somewhere in the region for use in its expanded drone wars in Yemen and Somalia. It is also using already existing facilities in Djibouti, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates for the same purposes, and operating a clandestine base in Somalia where it runs indigenous agents and carries out counterterrorism training for local partners.

In addition to its own military efforts, the Obama administration has also arranged for the sale of weaponry to regimes in arc states across the Middle East, including Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. It has been indoctrinating and schooling indigenous military partners through the State Department's and Pentagon's International Military Education and Training program. Last year, it provided training to more than 7,000 students from 130 countries. "The emphasis is on the Middle East and Africa because we know that terrorism will grow, and we know that vulnerable countries are the most targeted," Kay Judkins, the program's policy manager, recently told the American Forces Press Service.

According to Pentagon documents released earlier this year, the US has personnel—some in token numbers, some in more sizeable contingents—deployed in 76 other nations sometimes counted in the arc of instability: Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Cameroon, Chad, Congo, Cote d'Ivoire, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Guinea, Kenya, Liberia, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Syria, Antigua, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Romania, Serbia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam.

While arrests of 30 members of an alleged CIA spy ring in Iran earlier this year may be, like earlier incarcerations of supposed American "spies", pure theater for internal consumption or international bargaining, there is little doubt that the US is conducting covert operations there, too. Last year, reports surfaced that US black ops teams had been authorized to run missions inside that country, and spies and local proxies are almost certainly at work there as well. Just recently, the Wall Street Journal revealed a series of "secret operations on the Iran-Iraq border" by the US military and a coming CIA campaign of covert operations aimed at halting the smuggling of Iranian arms into Iraq.

The US Has Special Operations Forces in How Many Countries? | Mother Jones

Emphasis added.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Empire Under Obama, Part 3: America's "Secret Wars" in Over 100 Countries Around the World I The Hampton Institute

...In 2010, it was reported by the Washington Post that the U.S. has expanded the operations of its Special Forces around the world, from being deployed in roughly 60 countries under Bush to about 75 countries in 2010 under Obama, operating in notable spots such as the Philippines and Colombia, as well as Yemen, across the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia. The global deployment of Special Forces - alongside the CIA's global drone warfare program - were two facets of Obama's "national security doctrine of global engagement and domestic values," in the words of the Washington Post, though the article was unclear on which aspect of waging "secret wars" in 75 countries constituted Obama's "values." Commanders for Special Operations forces have become "a far more regular presence at the White House" under Obama than George Bush, with one such commander commenting, "We have a lot more access... They are talking publicly much less but they are acting more. They are willing to get aggressive much more quickly." Such Special Operations forces deployments "go beyond unilateral strikes and include the training of local counterterrorism forces and joint operations with them."[18]

So not only are U.S. forces conducting secret wars within dozens of countries around the world, but they are training the domestic military forces of many of these countries to undertake secret wars internally, and in the interests of the United States Mafia empire.

One military official even "set up a network" of private military corporations that hired former Special Forces and CIA operations to gather intelligence and conduct secret operations in foreign countries to support "lethal action": publicly subsidized, privatized 'accountability.' Such a network was "generally considered illegal" and was "improperly financed."[19] When the news of these networks emerged, the Pentagon said it shut them down and opened a "criminal investigation." Turns out, they found nothing "criminal," because two months later, the operations were continuing and had "become an important source of intelligence." The networks of covert-ops corporations were being "managed" by Lockheed Martin, one of the largest military contractors in the world, while being "supervised" by the Pentagon's Special Operations Command.[20]

Admiral Eric T. Olson had been the head of Special Operations Command from 2007 to 2011, and in that year, Olson led a successful initiative - endorsed by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen and Defense Secretary Robert Gates - to encourage the promotion of top special operations officials to higher positions in the whole military command structure. The "trend" was to continue under the following Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who previously headed the CIA from 2009 to 2011.[21]

By January of 2012, Obama was continuing with seeking to move further away from large-scale ground wars such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, and refocus on "a smaller, more agile force across Asia, the Pacific and the Middle East." Surrounded by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in full uniforms adorned with medals, along with other top Pentagon officials, President Obama delivered a rare press briefing at the Pentagon where he said that, "our military will be leaner, but the world must know the United States is going to maintain our military superiority." The priorities in this strategy would be "financing for defense and offense in cyberspace, for Special Operations forces and for the broad area of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance."[22]

In February of 2012, Admiral William H. McRaven, the head of the Special Operations Command, was "pushing for a larger role for his elite units who have traditionally operated in the dark corners of American foreign policy," advocating a plan that "would give him more autonomy to position his forces and their war-fighting equipment where intelligence and global events indicate they are most needed," notably with expansions in mind for Asia, Africa and Latin America. McRaven stated that, "It's not really about Socom [Special Operations Command] running the global war on terrorism... I don't think we're ready to do that. What it's about is how do I better support" the major regional military command structures.[23]

In the previous decade, roughly 80% of US Special Operations forces were deployed in the Middle East, but McRaven wanted them to spread to other regions, as well as to be able to "quickly move his units to potential hot spots without going through the standard Pentagon process governing overseas deployments." The Special Operations Command numbered around 66,000 people, double the number since 2001, and its budget had reached $10.5 billion, from $4.2 billion in 2001.[24]

...Admiral William H. McRaven, developed plans to expand special operations units, making them "the force of choice" against "emerging threats" over the following decade. McRaven's Special Operations Command oversees more than 60,000 military personnel and civilians, saying in a draft paper circulated at the Pentagon that: "We are in a generational struggle... For the foreseeable future, the United States will have to deal with various manifestations of inflamed violent extremism. In order to conduct sustained operations around the globe, our special operations must adapt." McRaven stated that Special Forces were operating in over 71 countries around the world.[25]

The expansion of global special forces operations was largely in reaction to the increasingly difficult challenge of positioning large military forces around the world, and carrying out large scale wars and occupations, for which there is very little public support at home or abroad. In 2013, the Special Operations Command had forces operating in 92 different countries around the world, with one Congressional critic accusing McRaven of engaging in "empire building."[26]...

In 2013, McRaven's Special Operations Command gained new authorities and an expanded budget, with McRaven testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee that, "On any day of the year you will find special operations forces [in] somewhere between 70 and 90 countries around the world."[28] In 2012, it was reported that such forces would be operating in 120 different countries by the end of the year.[29]

In December of 2012, it was announced that the U.S. was sending 4,000 soldiers to 35 different African countries as "part of an intensifying Pentagon effort to train countries to battle extremists and give the U.S. a ready and trained force to dispatch to Africa if crises requiring the U.S. military emerge," operating under the Pentagon's newest regional command, AFRICOM, established in 2007.[30]

By September of 2013, the U.S. military had been involved in various activities in Algeria, Angola, Benin, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde Islands, Senegal, Seychelles, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda and Zambia, among others, constructing bases, undertaking "security cooperation engagements, training exercises, advisory deployments, special operations missions, and a growing logistics network."[31]

In short, Obama's global 'war of terror' has expanded to roughly 100 countries around the world, winding down the large-scale military invasions and occupations such as those in Afghanistan and Iraq, and increasing the "small-scale" warfare operations of Special Forces, beyond the rule of law, outside Congressional and public oversight, conducting "snatch and grab" operations, training domestic repressive military forces in nations largely run by dictatorships to undertake their own operations on behalf of the 'Global Godfather.'


http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/empireunderobamapartthree.html
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Also, are they counting embassies? Because those usually have a small Marine presence there.

I'm guessIng no...

1) Embassies would be US soil, rather than in foreign countries. Which doesn't preclude them being counted, of course.

2) Numbers would be higher if embassies were included.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Lol - so you don't believe the arms industry is making large campaign donations to candidates in both parties? Or is it that you don't believe massive political donations from corporations and lobbyists involve the expectation of some quid pro quo? Or is it that you believe American politicians have the character, integrity and backbone to resist the demands of million dollar donors and do the right thing regardless? Or you slept through the whole of 2001-2002, when Americans almost unanimously supported the Patriot Act and not one, but TWO foreign wars, and vilified anyone who dared to question the wisdom of any of these decisions?

Which is it? I'm dying to know.

It might be because you used the word "capitalist" and that seems to get a push back by righties and their cohorts.....but to your point...Haliburton comes to mind....
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
It's not some secret initiative to take over the world. Most of the bases aren't functional, and most are there because whenever the US engages another country in some way it leaves a base there, that's why we have bases in places like Italy and Japan, completely non-functional with minimum manning. I guess Japan serves as a Naval part but we don't really need a Navy either, so... I think it is better explained by bureaucratic waste than a hidden agenda. For a lot of the bases, being stationed there is like having a two year vacation.

Also, are they counting embassies? Because those usually have a small Marine presence there.


Exactly....:yes:
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Uncomfortable? I makes me downright angry and depressed.

I do what I can. Speak up. Buy local wherever and however. I vote for representatives and legislators who least follow the imperialist agenda. And I am trying to convince people I know to be a part of a dance revolution.

I'm in. I can't dance but I do a mean two step......:tribal:
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Forgive me for commenting on this not being a North America, but I need to say it.

Honestly, If it wasn't for the USA, the Germans and Japanese previous governments might have possibly done the world great harm. I really appreciate the efforts Americans did for the world. I'm not saying that the nuke was right to do, I'm talking about the concluding outcome we are in now.

I'm one of those who see Americans as heroes. At least the Americans from the World War.

Current situations raise controversy alright, maybe because they are not as smart as they were in the World War? I dunno what the US government has in mind.

Er, the Soviets were probably the biggest reason why the Germans were defeated. Germany was kicking everyone's butt until they made the mistake of invading Russia which turned into a catastrophe for them.
 

nilsz

bzzt
Er, the Soviets were probably the biggest reason why the Germans were defeated. Germany was kicking everyone's butt until they made the mistake of invading Russia which turned into a catastrophe for them.
First, the America then played a different role then it does now. Now that this is out of the way, I think the gratitude among those who were "liberated" by the Soviets is quite limited, considering the many decades of political repression and mass murders that would follow.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
First, the America then played a different role then it does now. Now that this is out of the way, I think the gratitude among those who were "liberated" by the Soviets is quite limited, considering the many decades of political repression and mass murders that would follow.

Oh, of course. The Soviets were disgusting barbarians. They were worse than the Germans, imo. But I will give that they were as fanatical about their cause as the Nazis were and produced many crack female snipers.
 
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freethinker44

Well-Known Member
Er, the Soviets were probably the biggest reason why the Germans were defeated. Germany was kicking everyone's butt until they made the mistake of invading Russia which turned into a catastrophe for them.

It's a shame how many Americans I know who don't realize this. I admit, though, it was a shock to me when I first read about it as I distinctly remember being taught that Americans won the war and that Russia was one of our enemies at the time. It was the 80s though so there was a lot of anit-Russian stuff going on. But yeah, the Russians not only helped win the war, they are the ones who got Hitler and even liberated a lot of concentration camps, including Auschwitz the most infamous camp.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It's a shame how many Americans I know who don't realize this. I admit, though, it was a shock to me when I first read about it as I distinctly remember being taught that Americans won the war and that Russia was one of our enemies at the time. It was the 80s though so there was a lot of anit-Russian stuff going on. But yeah, the Russians not only helped win the war, they are the ones who got Hitler and even liberated a lot of concentration camps, including Auschwitz the most infamous camp.

Yeah, I can see that. Propaganda really taints the teaching of history. If Germany never invaded Russia or at least saved an invasion until after they had corralled Western Europe, they probably would've won the war. After conquering the West, then they could've faced off against the Soviets with the full force of their military.

But this is off topic. :p
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm not sure I agree. I think humanity is pretty much the same across the generations.

Perhaps, but the American generation in question seems to me something of an exception to a lot of rules. That's just my impression, though.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I admit, though, it was a shock to me when I first read about it as I distinctly remember being taught that Americans won the war and that Russia was one of our enemies at the time. It was the 80s though so there was a lot of anit-Russian stuff going on.

Really? Wow...
I'd hazard a guess that wartime studies here focus heavily on the Pacific and maybe North Africa in terms of WW2. But ignoring the Eastern Front, whilst disappointing, is different to misrepresenting it altogether.
 
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