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LogDog

Active Member
What rational reason do you have for believing a book that was written millennia ago of which the authors are unknown?
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
What rational reason do you have for believing a book that was written millennia ago of which the authors are unknown?

I was tempted to simply hang up this sign::troll:

But here goes:

Counter-Question: Is your concern about the scripture simply because it is millenia old and no one knows the author? Or is it because you do not want to consider scripture in an of itself?

My faith's scripture is no older than 160 years (approximately) and some is as fresh as 1921 (if you do not consider Shoghi Effendi to be writing "scripture"--I consider it commentary and interpretation, but that's just me.

The authors are identified without question as the originals in their own hand or in the recognizable hand of those who acted as secretary for their dictation.

So, does your question concern this more modern scripture/ Or does it not?

I have an answer either way.

Regards,
Scott
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
The age matters to me concerning scripture because when you're supposed to take something as literal truth, I'd like to be able to ask the authors questions. These are strangers, why should I believe them?
 
religious beliefs are not rational its all about faith -- you either believe it or you dont -- its that simple -- obviously you dont but you aint got to be all like that -- its all good -- dont be hatin
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
The age matters to me concerning scripture because when you're supposed to take something as literal truth, I'd like to be able to ask the authors questions. These are strangers, why should I believe them?

I ask the author all the time. Sometimes in prayer, other times in digging deeper into the scripture.

Part of digging deeper into the scripture is seeing how others interpret it, sometime sthose others speak from authority, sometimes they do not, but I consider it all.

IF the point of this life is to come to know and worship God through my own effort, then the effort is a responsibility.

I'm comfortable with that


Regards,
Scott
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I ask the author all the time. Sometimes in prayer, other times in digging deeper into the scripture.

Part of digging deeper into the scripture is seeing how others interpret it, sometime sthose others speak from authority, sometimes they do not, but I consider it all.

IF the point of this life is to come to know and worship God through my own effort, then the effort is a responsibility.

I'm comfortable with that


Regards,
Scott
I can understand this viewpoint.

It's much harder to accept scripture when it tells you you're going to hell if you don't believe the words that were written a couple of millennium ago though. However, I already know the Baha'i stance on that. :)
 

LogDog

Active Member
The age matters to me concerning scripture because when you're supposed to take something as literal truth, I'd like to be able to ask the authors questions. These are strangers, why should I believe them?

I guess when you want so badly for the primitive conclusions of this anonymous group of Bronze Age goat herders regarding the origins of the universe and what happens to us when we die to be true, you’ll forgo the critical thinking and skepticism that would normally be applied to any other claim.
 
I have yet to meet anyone Christian or not that follows the Bible's instructions. Nor can I find a christian that can give me a reasonable answer why they don't follow the instructions. So I have concluded most people use it as a guide.
 

Lindsey-Loo

Steel Magnolia
What rational reason do you have for believing a book that was written millennia ago of which the authors are unknown?

You just said one of my reasons.

It's an extremely old text, yet it has remained virtually unchanged except for in small differences in grammar. While we have less than 10 copies of most texts written during Bible times, we have hundreds of Bible fragments, all of which nearly match the Bibles we have today. The Bile was written by at least 40 different authors over a period of thousands of years, but all of it adds up with each other. All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament are fulfilled in the new, etc. Doesn't it seem like if mere men wrote this over that long of a time, they would have missed something? Or that our Bibles today would be corrupt and competely different from the scriptures of old?
 

Lindsey-Loo

Steel Magnolia
I have yet to meet anyone Christian or not that follows the Bible's instructions. Nor can I find a christian that can give me a reasonable answer why they don't follow the instructions. So I have concluded most people use it as a guide.

I'm nearly positive I follow the Bible's instructions....:confused:
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I can't say that I follow the entire law, but I follow Jesus commands as best as I can. That is what is important to me.

If I want to follow and live by writings written thousands of years ago, that is my business. I have no reason to explain it to anyone. It doesn't even effect anyone else outside of my family and friends.
 

may

Well-Known Member
What rational reason do you have for believing a book that was written millennia ago of which the authors are unknown?
the prophecies in the bible , always come true and keeping awake to those prophecies brings enlightenment indeed .
 

PureX

Veteran Member
What rational reason do you have for believing a book that was written millennia ago of which the authors are unknown?
Most of the people who read and "believe in" the scriptures, do so because they have found their understanding of what it says to be borne out as true in their lives.

For example, I remember reading in the bible that mankind is "wonderfully and frightfully made". And that phrase stuck in my head because it struck as being so true, even though it was such an odd conjunction of adjectives.

I also remember thinking the same thing while reading the description of love in 1-Corinthians. It pointed out the difference to me of the reality of love, as opposed to the idea of love that a lot of people hold on to: that the reality of love is freedom, and a genuine concern for the well-being of the beloved, as opposed to a desire to control the beloved 'for their sake'. And that struck me as very insightful. And there are numerous other examples I could give.

What people believe to be true is what they have experienced as true in their life. And I think you might want to try and learn to respect that a little. At least try and learn from them how their experiences have caused them to believe as they do. But people aren't going to share these with you if you insist on being an insulting antagonist toward their beliefs all the time. Why should they waste their time, after all, talking to someone they know is not willing to really listen to what they say?

An open mind and heart is a huge gift for those who are fortunate enough to possess it.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
What people believe to be true is what they have experienced as true in their life.
For example:
  • a 6-day creation
  • a talking snake
  • six-winges seraphim
  • nephalim
  • a global flood
  • living in the belly of a whale
  • God-inspired plagues
  • magical escapes from Egypt
  • talking bushes
  • virgin births
  • walking on water
  • raising the dead
  • suicidal pigs
  • resurrections
No, probably not. :no:
 
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