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Anything you could desire and simulations

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
That wouldn't change the fact that the things I love are still on earth. What if I wasn't in one though?
I was wondering if everyone can have your attitude. Or is it just dependent on your current circumstances?
And if i was in one then this conversation wouldn't be happening
So if you were in a concentration camp you wouldn't be so happy?
so I don't think it is very productive to live in hypothetical land, especially because I don't think we can accurately predict how we would react until it happens.. if it happens
BTW do you believe in the afterlife and if you do would it be perfectly fine for it to not exist? BTW this is the theology forum. i.e. about hypothetical land...
 
I was wondering if everyone can have your attitude. Or is it just dependent on your current circumstances?

So if you were in a concentration camp you wouldn't be so happy?

BTW do you believe in the afterlife and if you do would it be perfectly fine for it to not exist?
I cant speak for everyone having my attitude or not. I'll let them decide. And as for happiness I would assume no but who knows. I don't believe in afterlife because I don't believe life ever stops including my own. If there were a heaven it would not work because everybody would want to see different things but my idea of heaven is pretty cool I think and despite that I would still choose to come back and live on this planet in some way or form. And of course it would be fine for it not to exist lol, everything is as it should be
 
I was wondering if everyone can have your attitude. Or is it just dependent on your current circumstances?

So if you were in a concentration camp you wouldn't be so happy?

BTW do you believe in the afterlife and if you do would it be perfectly fine for it to not exist?
I cant speak for everyone having my attitude or not. I'll let them decide. And as for happiness I would assume no but who knows. I don't believe in afterlife because I don't believe life ever stops including my own. If there were a heaven it would not work because everybody would want to see different things but my idea of heaven is pretty cool I think and despite that I would still choose to come back and live on this planet in some way or form. And of course it would be fine for it not to exist lol, everything is as it should be
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
I cant speak for everyone having my attitude or not. I'll let them decide. And as for happiness I would assume no but who knows. I don't believe in afterlife because I don't believe life ever stops including my own. If there were a heaven it would not work because everybody would want to see different things but my idea of heaven is pretty cool I think
Well in the simulations I am talking about you could experience exactly what you want...
and despite that I would still choose to come back and live on this planet in some way or form.
Well the Roy game (or similar) would allow you to do that...
 
Well in the simulations I am talking about you could experience exactly what you want...

Well the Roy game (or similar) would allow you to do that...

Well in the simulations I am talking about you could experience exactly what you want...

Well the Roy game (or similar) would allow you to do that...
I personally believe we never know what we want and if so it is temporary. For instance I would never try to control my dreams because that is the point of them to me, to be thrown into an unplanned scenario and experience it.

I already can experience what I want right here on earth, why do I need a simulation?
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
I personally believe we never know what we want and if so it is temporary.
Well simulations are always temporary...
For instance I would never try to control my dreams because that is the point of them to me, to be thrown into an unplanned scenario and experience it.

I already can experience what I want right here on earth, why do I need a simulation?
That's good - though you could just consider it to be a movie or video game - that involves things different to your ordinary life...
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
How do you know simulations are always temporary
I'm talking about simulations within universes that resemble our own. Those simulations require energy to run. Energy comes directly or indirectly from stars but they only last several billions of years. An eternal simulation would need to be powered for an eternity which is infinitely longer than a googolplex (a 1 with a googol zeroes - a googol is a 1 with 100 zeroes).
 
I'm talking about simulations within universes that resemble our own. Those simulations require energy to run. Energy comes directly or indirectly from stars but they only last several billions of years. An eternal simulation would need to be powered for an eternity which is infinitely longer than a googolplex (a 1 with a googol zeroes - a googol is a 1 with 100 zeroes).
How do you know simulations exist in other universes? Have you witnessed it first hand? It is a word and concept created by humans so are you sure it is applicable in other universes? Or even sure other universes exist?
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
How do you know simulations exist in other universes? Have you witnessed it first hand? It is a word and concept created by humans so are you sure it is applicable in other universes? Or even sure other universes exist?
"universes that resemble our own" means basically our universe. In the future it is likely that there will be billions of video games that are indistinguishable from reality. Some of them would simulate the past (which would lead to our world).
 
"universes that resemble our own" means basically our universe. In the future it is likely that there will be billions of video games that are indistinguishable from reality. Some of them would simulate the past (which would lead to our world).
If you say so bro, not sure why we would waste our time doing that. Also everybody will have a different perception of the past and our world so doubt it could be completely replicated. Why focus on things that may or may not happen instead of live in the here and now
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
If you say so bro, not sure why we would waste our time doing that.
It's just another form of video game and billions of people play those.
Also everybody will have a different perception of the past and our world so doubt it could be completely replicated. Why focus on things that may or may not happen instead of live in the here and now
I think it is loosely based on a plausible past - not completely accurate. And your actions and randomness could change the course of history. As far as "why" goes, why did Rick and Morty play the Roy game? Maybe for entertainment and personal growth.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
It seems you believe you're going to Heaven (as a Roman Catholic). My ideas are a form of Heaven. Would you rather just have real life and real death? Or do you also want to have an amazing afterlife? Would you still be content with your life if there was no afterlife?
I would rather have a real life and a real death and a real afterlife, which I am sure will be amazing.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I do use my imagination a lot in my ordinary life. So your critique of my ideas is that I should be focusing my imagination on my ordinary life? I assumed that people in this forum would be interested in theology.
In my religion, imagination is an essential part of theology (the study of the gods). Imagination is the gateway to the otherworlds and many of the gods have a strong (or stronger) presence in the otherworlds than in the apparent world.
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
In my religion, imagination is an essential part of theology (the study of the gods). Imagination is the gateway to the otherworlds and many of the gods have a strong (or stronger) presence in the otherworlds than in the apparent world.
BTW in a simulation/video game you can have god like abilities (can see many places at once, teleport, be invincible, invisible, make things appear out of nothing, change anything into anything, change time including reversing it)
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
BTW in a simulation/video game you can have god like abilities (can see many places at once, teleport, be invincible, invisible, make things appear out of nothing, change anything into anything, change time including reversing it)
Okay. I can already do all of that using imagination and journeywork and while dreaming.
I do also like gaming, but not really for the power fantasy as I'm not a power gamer and never have been. I've always been a storytelling gamer, who is vastly more interested in worldbuilding and philosophy, character and narrative beats. :shrug:
 

excreationist

Married mouth-breather
Okay. I can already do all of that using imagination and journeywork and while dreaming.
I do also like gaming, but not really for the power fantasy as I'm not a power gamer and never have been. I've always been a storytelling gamer, who is vastly more interested in worldbuilding and philosophy, character and narrative beats. :shrug:
Well since you have lucid dreaming you already have the abilities I'm talking about. But I rarely dream at all and can't even picture anything in my mind because I have aphantasia.
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If I dream it is usually level 4 (a ghostly outline).
On the other hand I can imagine music and singing fairly vividly.
 
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