Apocolypse

[JohnAmes]

East vs. West in the Apocolypse?

A western (romantic language) "christian" country just overthrew a middle eastern non-religioun favoring state. There were no monopolistic theocracies.

The western (romantic) "christian" world has one concept distinguishing its corruption.

The tax-exempt status of its own churches.

Does Armageddon translate to America anyone?

 

[Father Heathen]

The Apocalypse will be between man vs. machines, thanks to Cyberdyne Systems.

 

[HonestJoe]

A western (romantic language) "christian" country just overthrew a middle eastern non-religioun favoring state. There were no monopolistic theocracies.

Iraq? Religion wasn't a major factor in that.

The western (romantic) "christian" world has one concept distinguishing its corruption. The tax-exempt status of its own churches.

Don't all religions get tax exempt status in the US?

Does Armageddon translate to America anyone?

No. Why should it?

 

[BruceDLimber]

As soon as you learn to spell "apocalypse," you may be able to carry on a conversation.

Does Armageddon translate to America anyone?

And no, it doesn't: The Battle of Armageddon already took place near the end of World War I on the Plain of Har-megiddo (near Haifa) when British General Allenby defeated the Turks there just before they were about to commit a number of religious atrocities!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[fallingblood]

As soon as you learn to spell "apocalypse," you may be able to carry on a conversation.



And no, it doesn't: The Battle of Armageddon already took place near the end of World War I on the Plain of Har-megiddo (near Haifa) when British General Allenby defeated the Turks there just before they were about to commit a number of religious atrocities!

Peace,

Bruce

Not quite. There is little evidence that the battle has yet to take place. Most likely, it simply will never occur. The idea of the final Battle was suppose to take place relatively soon after the book of Revelations was written. We know this because the entire book of Revelations is talking about the time period surrounding when it was written. Once the prophecy failed, it simply was reinterpreted for a later date, in order to try to make it seem as if it didn't fail. We see the same thing happening even with the story of Jesus.

 

[BruceDLimber]

So sorry, but we disagree completely!

The Book of Revelation (aka Apocalypse) is about the events leading to and at the time of the Return of the Christ Spirit, which we see as already having taken place around a century and a half ago! (Indeed, we have whole books explaining this in verse-by-verse detail; and you can see one of these at: www.bahai-library.org by searching for Riggs' Apocalypse Unsealed under the "Books" heading.)

And as I mentioned, Allenby's victory on the Plain of Har-megiddo filled this particular prophecy.

Regards,

Bruce

 

[AxisMundi]

East vs. West in the Apocolypse?

A western (romantic language) "christian" country just overthrew a middle eastern non-religioun favoring state. There were no monopolistic theocracies.

The western (romantic) "christian" world has one concept distinguishing its corruption.

The tax-exempt status of its own churches.

Does Armageddon translate to America anyone?

No.

The Nation referenced in Revelations was the Roman Empire.

It was a contemporary commontary, not an attempt at prophesy.

The fear mongerers in the church developed the idea of "Armegedon" being some future event in their efforts at conversion and keeping people within the faith, to ensure a large political power base.

 

[Willamena]

East vs. West in the Apocolypse?

A western (romantic language) "christian" country just overthrew a middle eastern non-religioun favoring state. There were no monopolistic theocracies.

The western (romantic) "christian" world has one concept distinguishing its corruption.

The tax-exempt status of its own churches.

Does Armageddon translate to America anyone?

No; but that would make a terrific board game.

 

[AxisMundi]

...Don't all religions get tax exempt status in the US?.....

Quite right.

It also is not automatic, one must apply for tax exempt status, even Christian intitutions.

And a Christian church, or other relgiious institution, can have their tax exempt status yanked if they become too involved with politics.

 

[fallingblood]

So sorry, but we disagree completely!

The Book of Revelation (aka Apocalypse) is about the events leading to and at the time of the Return of the Christ Spirit, which we see as already having taken place around a century and a half ago! (Indeed, we have whole books explaining this in verse-by-verse detail; and you can see one of these at: www.bahai-library.org by searching for Riggs' Apocalypse Unsealed under the "Books" heading.)

And as I mentioned, Allenby's victory on the Plain of Har-megiddo filled this particular prophecy.

Regards,

Bruce

During the time that Revelations was written, there were a handful of other Apocalypses written. Revelation just got lucky enough to be placed into a group of books we now call the Bible.

However, if you look at most modern critical scholars, you will see that the majority agree that it was written about events surrounding the time in which it was written. As for others writing verse by verse explanations, it really doesn't mean much. I could make the book of Revelations make it seem as if I'm Jesus.

 

[England my lionheart]

No.

The Nation referenced in Revelations was the Roman Empire.

It was a contemporary commontary, not an attempt at prophesy.

The fear mongerers in the church developed the idea of "Armegedon" being some future event in their efforts at conversion and keeping people within the faith, to ensure a large political power base.

Thats how i see it,its done and dusted

 

[JohnAmes]

Wouldn't we (or couldn't we) translate the fall of Rome with the fall of the Roman church?

After all, the Roman churches power is basically strongest in the places that the former empire ruled.

 

[.lava]

according to what i've learned it would not be between East and West. it would be between good and evil. obviously there is good and evil in both East and West. i think after some kind of polarization people of good and people of evil would unite against each other and then Armageddon would occur. good would win over evil for the last time

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[AxisMundi]

Wouldn't we (or couldn't we) translate the fall of Rome with the fall of the Roman church?

After all, the Roman churches power is basically strongest in the places that the former empire ruled.

While the RCC did indeed avalance into the power vacumn left by the Roman Empire, the areas traditionally attributed to the Roman Empire, such as Europe, British Isles, part of the medetterainian, Northern Africa, etc. are hardly part of the RCC's power base today, and haven't been since the last Enlightenment Era finally broke the back of RCC power in those areas.

The RCC holds much more sway in Latin America and the African Continent today where their conversion numbers are currently highest.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

according to what i've learned it would not be between East and West. it would be between good and evil. obviously there is good and evil in both East and West. i think after some kind of polarization people of good and people of evil would unite against each other and then Armageddon would occur. good would win over evil for the last time
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However, it is Not good people that do the fighting.
Revelation [19v11] says of Jesus that he [Jesus] carries on righteous warfare.
[righteous meaning no one innocent will be in harm's way]
Verse 14 says Jesus has the armies of heaven [angelic forces] following him.
Verse 15 [Isaiah 11v4] says the words from Jesus mouth will be like a sharp two-edged executioner's sword and his words will do away with his enemies.
-Jeremiah 25vs31-33

So Jesus is 'Commander in Chief' of an angelic armies and in that way Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill in fulfillment to the promise to Abraham that all families of the earth will be blessed and all nations of the earth will be blessed. -Genesis 12v3; 22vs17,18; Rev 22v2; Psalm 37vs11,29

 

[.lava]

However, it is Not good people that do the fighting.
Revelation [19v11] says of Jesus that he [Jesus] carries on righteous warfare.
[righteous meaning no one innocent will be in harm's way]
Verse 14 says Jesus has the armies of heaven [angelic forces] following him.
Verse 15 [Isaiah 11v4] says the words from Jesus mouth will be like a sharp two-edged executioner's sword and his words will do away with his enemies.
-Jeremiah 25vs31-33

So Jesus is 'Commander in Chief' of an angelic armies and in that way Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill in fulfillment to the promise to Abraham that all families of the earth will be blessed and all nations of the earth will be blessed. -Genesis 12v3; 22vs17,18; Rev 22v2; Psalm 37vs11,29

hmm .. OK are you saying this war would be unseen to men? please explain a little more. i can't understand your conclusion from these verses

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[Azakel]

The Apocalypse will be between man vs. machines, thanks to Cyberdyne Systems.

o no,you are wrong friend. It's Human Vs. Zombies ^_^

 

[.lava]

o no,you are wrong friend. It's Human Vs. Zombies ^_^

that would be very strange war; if you lose you become one of your enemies

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[Azakel]

that would be very strange war; if you lose you become one of your enemies

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Lol. I know. All the more reason to not ^_^

 

[Father Heathen]

o no,you are wrong friend. It's Human Vs. Zombies ^_^

It's getting hard to tell the difference nowadays.