firedragon
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I asked for a 'yes', or 'no'. What I basically got was "and allah knows best" ("inference", and "Elijah", others) kind of answer, which is a non-answer.
No way.
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I asked for a 'yes', or 'no'. What I basically got was "and allah knows best" ("inference", and "Elijah", others) kind of answer, which is a non-answer.
It will be presented anyway. Irrefutable.
In deed.Your prerogative.
Romanism
&
Islamism
Romanism - Officially recognized Latin
Islamism - Officially recognized Arabic
Romanism - Main Country is Italy, a Peninsula facing to the West
Islamism - Main Country is Arabia, a Peninsula facing to the East
Romanism - Sunday worship, first day of the week - Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment
Islamism - Friday worship, sixth day of the week - Al Jumu'ah 62:9-10
[JEHOVAH's is the Holy 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD Jesus, Exodus 20:8-11 KJB]
Romanism - Sun/moon monstrance in which the 'eucharist/host' is kept
Islamism - Moon/Sun/or star symbol
Romanism - 8 pointed star being a symbol of RC 'Mary'
Islamism - 8 pointed star in Islam
Romanism - Jerome's corrupted Vulgate [corrupted the true vulgate, the Italic], corrupted Sinaiticus, Vaticanus
Islamism - Abu al Qasim's corrupted qur'an [corrupted with gnostic, talmudic, sources, etc]
Romanism - Creeds, so-called 'church fathers', papal bulls, encyclicals, briefs, etc.
Islamism - aHadiths, Sunnah, Tafsirs, Sharia [Islamic laws]
Romanism - [Roman] Canon Law [natural law]
Islamism - Sharia [Islamic law]
[JEHOVAH's Ten Commandments, Exodus 20:1-17 KJB]Romanism - a combined Religion/State power
Islamism - a combined State/Religion power
[the state and church are to be in their respective spheres, see Romans 13]
Romanism - RC 'Mary' highly exalted to co-Mediatrix, hyper-dulia, etc and Immaculate conception dogma
Islamism - Islamic 'Mary', see qur'an Maryam 19, and aHadith in which 'Mary' is 'not touched by satan'
Romanism - gnostic connections, Shepherd of Hermas, Thomasine, Judasine, etc
Islamism - gnostic connections, 'infancy gospel of thomas', etc. baby 'Isa' speaks from under the womb, and cradle, and makes clay birds come to life, etc
Romanism - continuing 'Mass', the unbloody sacrifice
Islamism - continuing bloody animal sacrifices
Romanism - no victory over sin, the Auricular confessional, penances, etc [works salvation, fasting, rosaries, etc]
Islamism - no victory over sin, works salvation, the as-salat, wudu, fasting, pilgrimaages, etc
Romanism - War - Crusades, Inquisition - aka Office/Curia of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Islamism - War - Jihad, a qur'an Al Tawbah or Bara'ah 9:5,29, etc
Romanism - Vatican, Ultramontanism, all power in one man, popery
Islamism - Caliphate, all power in one man, Mahdi, etc. a qur'an Al Nisa' 4:65, Al Ahzab 33:36
Romanism - Pope's sayings, councils sayings, traditions of men
Islamism - Muhammad's sayings [aHadith], traditions of men
Romanism - another Intercessor, RC 'Mary', the co-Mediatrix, co-Redemptrix, Popes, Priests, 'Saints', etc
Islamism - Abu al Qasim
Romanism - Important women, RC 'Mary', 'Fatima' [city, so-called miracle site]
Islamism - Important women, Islamic 'Mary', Maraym 19, Fatimah the daughter of Abu al Qasim [Muhammad]
Romanism - monkery, monasticism, etc
Islamism - Khadija, Waraq bin Naufal, Nestor [Baeira, Pakhyras, Sergius the monk] see Hayatu'l-Qulub' by Abu Talib, or Al-Asbahani, Dala'il al-Nubuwah 1:173, or see the Jami' al-Tawarikh by Rashid al-Din Hamadani published in Tabriz, Persia, or see Ibn Hisham, Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi, or Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, or even just plain old Yusuf Ali notations on Baeira.
Romanism - Pilgrimmages to Fatima, Lourdes, Vatican, Guadalupe, etc
Islamism - Pilgrimmages, the greater and lesser hajj to Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Ka'ba, etc.
Romanism - state of the dead - immortal soul/spirit theology, same as pagans, occult
Islamism - state of the dead - immortal soul/spirit theology, same as pagans, occult
Romanism - purgatory, limbo, etc
Islamism - Barzakh, a waiting place on the other side of the as-sirat bridge, until judgment day
Romanism - Eternal torments in hellfire/lake of fire, a never-ending, always increasing torment
Islamism - Eternal torments [especially for women, as they are the ones to fill hell mostly] in a hellfire/lake of fire, always increasing, never-ending, in Islam there are 7 levels of Hell [Jahannam; Jahim, Jahannam, Sa'ir, Saqar, Ladha, Hawiyah, Hutamah]
[Bible [KJB] teaches 2nd death, oblivion, dead and gone forever, no life, burnt up into smoke and ashes in the flames on earth before being made new, see Revelation 20, etc]
Romanism - Nuns/Habits/Monks/Cloistered
Islamism - Hijab, Burkha, women cannot work, must stay in the house in a single room [a few exceptions], etc.
Romanism - special exorcists
Islamism - special exorcists, called the ruqyah; al-Tibb al-Nabawi
Romanism - beads, 'the Rosary', the vain repetitious prayers, also monk chants, breath prayers, desert 'fathers' mysticism, etc, to deaden the mind, allowing more access to the voice of satan:
"...as though they were listening to the very voice of the Blessed Mother explaining the mysteries and conversing with them at length..." [ON THE ROSARY; MAGNAE DEI MATRIS; Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII promulgated on September 8, 1892.]
Islamism - beads, the Misbah, Tasbih, Sibha, having the same effect to deaden the mind, allowing more access to the voice of satan
Romanism - Cantor, Intonation, Gregorian Chants
Islamism - Muslim chants, qur'anic intonation [which means recitation]
Romanism - earthly sanctuary at the Vatican, the Mass in Rome
Islamism - earthly sanctuary, the Ka'baa in Mecca
Romanism - Indulgences, forgiveness of sins, kising pope's feet, Yoni imagery (Jesus, the Stone, central) throughout, etc
Islamism - sins forgiven by 'good' [meaning Islamic] deeds, which wipe out 'bad' [means Islamic] deeds, kissing the idolatrous black stone inside the Yoni corner.
Romanism - Washings for the Mass, with specifications, etc
Islamism - Wudu, religious washings, with specifications, etc
Romanism - claim earthly Jerusalem [a forever desolate city] for Catholicism
Islamism - claim earthly Jerusalem [a forever desolate city] for Islamism
[JEHOVAH's eternal city, the New Jerusalem is above, Galatians 4:26 KJB, coming down from Heaven, Revelation 21:2, for here we have no continuing city, Hebrews 13:14 KJB]
Romanism - Captial - Rome, the self-styled and so-called 'eternal city'
Islamism - Captial - Mecca
[JEHOVAH's eternal city, the New Jerusalem is above, Galatians 4:26 KJB, coming down from Heaven, Revelation 21:2, for here we have no continuing city, Hebrews 13:14 KJB]
Romanism - false understanding of angels, Michael, Gabriel and other numerous named angels in their sources, sandalfon, metatron, salthiel, saraquel, raphael, etc.
Islamism - false understanding of angels, Michael, Gabriel and other numerous named angels in their sources, Israfel, etc.
Romanism - Visionaries - Ignatius Loyola, etc [in a Cave]
Islamism - Visionaries - Abu al Qasim [in a Cave, Hira]
Romanism - private killer assassins, political rebellion creators, the Jesuits, Dominicans, Opus Dei, etc
Islamism - Hashashins [assassins]
Romanism - Religious Calendar - Lent, Easter, etc, etc.
Islamism - Religious Calendar - Ramadan, etc, etc.
Romanism - pagan practices accepted or taken over and 'baptized', all-saints day, equinoxes, etc
Islamism - pagan practices, circling the Ka'baa, throwing stones at the shaytan, etc.
Romanism - unscriptural food and drink allowances and forbidances [Leviticus 11; Deuteronomy 14; Acts 15; 1 Timothy 4:3 KJB]
Islamism - unscriptural food and drink allowances and forbidances, under Abu al Qasim's Halal and Haram [and Makrooh]
Romanism - etc. add your own
Islamism - etc. add your own
The two are mirrored of each other, a yin and yang, a so-called 'light' and 'dark', both in great error, yet the one [Islam] came out of the other (to be demonstrated in detail later), an attempt at an early ecumenical [Mecci] endeavor, that failed [Medini].
What about Yusuf Ali's translation notes?Its an inference. Zul Kifl has also been attributed to Elijah.
Paul, the writer of many epistles and of Hebrews, knew of this "pattern" and what was shown to Moses, and from where this "pattern" came from. It came from the True Tabernacle in Heaven!:In Exodus, JEHOVAH Elohiym (Exodus 3:15) showed to Moses, the "pattern" of the Heavenly Sanctuary/Temple/Tabernacle:
Moses saw the "pattern" of the true Heavenly things themselves, having been shown them by God - even Jesus, and was to make the earthly things after their "fashion":
Exodus 25:1 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 25:8 KJB - And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
Exodus 25:9 KJB - According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Exodus 25:40 KJB - And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Numbers 8:4 KJB - And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
This same "pattern" was shown to many others:
Acts 7:44 KJB - Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
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... to be continued ...
In Exodus, JEHOVAH Elohiym (Exodus 3:15) showed to Moses, the "pattern" of the Heavenly Sanctuary/Temple/Tabernacle:
Moses saw the "pattern" of the true Heavenly things themselves, having been shown them by God - even Jesus, and was to make the earthly things after their "fashion":
Exodus 25:1 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 25:8 KJB - And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
Exodus 25:9 KJB - According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Exodus 25:40 KJB - And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Numbers 8:4 KJB - And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
This same "pattern" was shown to many others:
Acts 7:44 KJB - Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
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... to be continued ...
In Yusuf Ali's English Translation of the Uthmanic recension, in the text and notes, we read that Islam acknowledges the Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary of God, and especially with the Ark (in Islam, called "Tabut" (box)) of the Covenant and even of the Ten Commandments (called "Criterion (between right and wrong)"; Qur'an Al Baqara 2:53):Not only does the TaNaKh (OT; Genesis - Malachi) and the NT (Matthew - Revelation), but so does a qur'an and even the Hadith, and Tafsir of Islam.
In Exodus, JEHOVAH Elohiym (Exodus 3:15) showed to Moses, the "pattern" of the Heavenly Sanctuary/Temple/Tabernacle:
Moses saw the "pattern" of the true Heavenly things themselves, having been shown them by God - even Jesus, and was to make the earthly things after their "fashion":
Exodus 25:1 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 25:8 KJB - And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
Exodus 25:9 KJB - According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Exodus 25:40 KJB - And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Numbers 8:4 KJB - And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
This same "pattern" was shown to many others:
Acts 7:44 KJB - Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
...
... to be continued ...
Tafisr Al Tabari [PDF 109], Volume 3Not only does the TaNaKh (OT; Genesis - Malachi) and the NT (Matthew - Revelation), but so does a qur'an and even the Hadith, and Tafsir of Islam.
In Exodus, JEHOVAH Elohiym (Exodus 3:15) showed to Moses, the "pattern" of the Heavenly Sanctuary/Temple/Tabernacle:
Moses saw the "pattern" of the true Heavenly things themselves, having been shown them by God - even Jesus, and was to make the earthly things after their "fashion":
Exodus 25:1 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 25:8 KJB - And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
Exodus 25:9 KJB - According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Exodus 25:40 KJB - And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Numbers 8:4 KJB - And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
This same "pattern" was shown to many others:
Acts 7:44 KJB - Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
...
... to be continued ...
Tafisr Al Tabari, Volume 3Not only does the TaNaKh (OT; Genesis - Malachi) and the NT (Matthew - Revelation), but so does a qur'an and even the Hadith, and Tafsir of Islam.
In Exodus, JEHOVAH Elohiym (Exodus 3:15) showed to Moses, the "pattern" of the Heavenly Sanctuary/Temple/Tabernacle:
Moses saw the "pattern" of the true Heavenly things themselves, having been shown them by God - even Jesus, and was to make the earthly things after their "fashion":
Exodus 25:1 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 25:8 KJB - And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
Exodus 25:9 KJB - According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Exodus 25:40 KJB - And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.
Numbers 8:4 KJB - And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick.
This same "pattern" was shown to many others:
Acts 7:44 KJB - Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
...
... to be continued ...
Even the Jewish records outside of scripture (which states that the Ten Commandments were made of the sapphire stone of the Throne of JEHOVAH Elohiym), exist:Not only does the TaNaKh (OT; Genesis - Malachi) and the NT (Matthew - Revelation), but so does a qur'an and even the Hadith, and Tafsir of Islam.
So, does the religion of Islam and the Muslim, acknowledge these things of the Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary that God gave to Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, Asaph, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jesus, Paul, and John (and so many others), yes or no?...
The "pattern" that JEHOVAH Elohiym showed to all these was:
[1] Altar of Burnt OfferingNot only does the TaNaKh (OT; Genesis - Malachi) and the NT (Matthew - Revelation), but so does a qur'an and even the Hadith, and Tafsir of Islam.
[2] Laver of Blood Water
[3] Table of Shew Bread
[4] 7 Branch Golden Candlestick
[5] Altar of Incense
[6] Ark of the Covenant
Jews and Muslims fear this "pattern", for it reveals who the true God is, even JEHOVAH Elohiym:Islam and Muslims fear (terrified of) the Sanctuary/Tabernacle/Temple of the ever Living Creator God (JEHOVAH Elohiym), because, it was not only the "pattern" given by JEHOVAH Elohiym from Heaven to Moses, and many others after him, but it contained the Ark, in which was JEHOVAH Elohiym's law, the Ten Commandments, the perfect character of JEHOVAH Elohiym (Exodus 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-7)) at the center of is the Eternal Name to all generations:
Exo 20:1 And God [Elohiym] spake all these words, saying,Islam/Muslims are terrified of this "pattern":
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God [YHVH; JEHOVAH Elohiym], which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [JEHOVAH Elohiym] am a jealous God [Elohiym], visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God [JEHOVAH Elohiym] in vain; for the LORD [JEHOVAH] will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God [JEHOVAH Elohiym]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD [JEHOVAH] made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD [JEHOVAH] blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God [JEHOVAH Elohiym] giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his as.s, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
[1] Altar of Burnt Offering
[2] Laver of Blood Water
[3] Table of Shew Bread
[4] 7 Branch Golden Candlestick
[5] Altar of Incense
[6] Ark of the Covenant