Apostolic Fathers Against TULIP

[angellous_evangellous]

That is only apparent from the quote offered in your mind since it clearly states that blessing comes from keeping the commandments. There is no mention of what forgivness of sin either entails or implies...at least from the quote offered

Impetus for reading the sources yourself!

I see in the quotes that the meaning of forgiveness and the need to follow the commands of Christ are both perfectly clear. I cannot break it down to simpler terms - perhaps after a careful reading of all of the sources youself, you will be able to make better sense of it.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

This thread needed a kick in the pants.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

He lives!

 

[*Paul*]

The trouble is that this is only meaningful to those who accept the apostolic fathers as some sort of authority, such people are not usually Calvinists.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The trouble is that this is only meaningful to those who accept the apostolic fathers as some sort of authority, such people are not usually Calvinists.

That the apostolic fathers explicitly reject all of the TULIP points is indictative to how foreign the doctrine is to Christianity.

Besides, to reject the fathers and an authority is to reject Scripture and any historical connection whatsoever to othrodoxy.

 

[anders]

Calvin's TULIP doctrines.

Googling for Calvinism and Sweden, I find no quotes referring to newer happenings than in the 17th century. Searching for tulips doesn't seem fruitful either. Could you please explain and/or link to what you mean?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TULIP

 

[angellous_evangellous]

From the Epistle of Barnabas

4.6
"...do not continue to pile up your sins while claiming that the covanent is irrevocably yours, because in fact those people lost it completely in the following way, when Moses had received it."

 

[Smoke]

That the apostolic fathers explicitly reject all of the TULIP points is indictative to how foreign the doctrine is to Christianity.

That seems like a good reason for a Christian to reject Calvinism. Another one -- good for Christians and everybody else, too -- is that Calvinism is intellectually and morally repulsive. The only good thing about Calvinism is that a true Calvinist won't bother sending out missionaries, and we can always do with fewer missionaries.

Besides, to reject the fathers and an authority is to reject Scripture and any historical connection whatsoever to othrodoxy.

You are forgetting the great number of Christians who view the scriptures as sort of a Christian Qur'an, miraculously handed down from on high without any kind of historical process that you need to worry about.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You are forgetting the great number of Christians who view the scriptures as sort of a Christian Qur'an, miraculously handed down from on high without any kind of historical process that you need to worry about.

No, I'm actively arguing against such a notion.

 

[Smoke]

No, I'm actively arguing against such a notion.

Never stop.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Never stop.

I never shall! MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA