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Are American's too Arrogant and Prideful?

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Yep. Many people in America have NO IDEA, what it is to really struggle for food or housing or just getting clean drinking water. I hear lots of whining all the time.
Do you think maybe some of the situation is caused by the arrogance of the populace in whom choose a dire need to take tax dollars and use them for the things they deem important such as faster computers, faster cars etc. (things that are wants not needs) and ignore these problems? Pride comes into the picture when people find themselves "above" others instead of seeing the situation in it's entirety; therefore could this lead them to decide not to help?
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Yeah no kidding, but if you sit and watch tv you can not avoid having it shoved in your face. I do not want my children acting sexually promiscuous, but it is a battle at times when they are constantly being taught sexual promiscuity is proper behavior. I have no problem with people "expressing" themselves as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another.
Their clothing does not infringe on your rights. If tv is so objectionable, turn it off. I say that as a fellow parent.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Yeah, those miserable third world foreigners who whine about famine, pestilence, & dirty water are so annoying.
I honestly wished I did not feel the way I do, but I need a reason to first. I would love to see all third world countries be eradicated of their woes, but how can this be done if we cannot take care of our own people?
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Their clothing does not infringe on your rights. If tv is so objectionable, turn it off. I say that as a fellow parent.
I see where you are coming from, but please let me explain. It does not infringe on my rights, but the right my children have to not be made to feel inferior, be taught "if you don't look good, your nothing". You mean to tell me with all of the technology we have no one could come up with "rated" commercial eliminator; or better yet if I or a family member is watching something educational the commercials fit the programming. I mean really, you can sit and watch the Holiest of movies, but if it is aired in America it would be desecrated by commercials alone.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I honestly wished I did not feel the way I do, but I need a reason to first. I would love to see all third world countries be eradicated of their woes, but how can this be done if we cannot take care of our own people?
We can do both. The question is whether or not we will.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I see where you are coming from, but please let me explain. It does not infringe on my rights, but the right my children have to not be made to feel inferior, be taught "if you don't look good, your nothing". You mean to tell me with all of the technology we have no one could come up with "rated" commercial eliminator; or better yet if I or a family member is watching something educational the commercials fit the programming. I mean really, you can sit and watch the Holiest of movies, but if it is aired in America it would be desecrated by commercials alone.
OK, I get that. I still feel you can turn it off, though.

As for the body image issues, I agree it's a concern, but still think it unrelated to the arrogance.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
OK, I get that. I still feel you can turn it off, though.

As for the body image issues, I agree it's a concern, but still think it unrelated to the arrogance.
I guess I might associate the two a bit more than I should;) Trust me I have turned the tv off more than once just for shear disgust. You have another channel for a recall and there is something worse on that channel; after doing this more than once I usually go and try to find something constructive to do.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Sure. You're going to tell me that many Americans don't look down on 3rd world countries? That American's aren't "better" then them?
IMX.... not the citizens. The governments (or lack thereof) in far too many cases, but that's wholly justified, in my book.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sure. You're going to tell me that many Americans don't look down on 3rd world countries? That American's aren't "better" then them?
Feeling "better than" other people is normal & fine with me.
(Chinese are better than Japanese. Han Chinese are better than other Chinese. Japanese are better than
Koreans. Koreans are better than Japanese. Americans are better than Afghans. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.)
But one ought to not let feelings of pride & superiority go to one's head.
We shouldn't run roughshod over those inferior types just cuz we're 'better'.
And they have the capability to become better...even than we are.
 
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Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Sure. You're going to tell me that many Americans don't look down on 3rd world countries? That American's aren't "better" then them?

I don't know about that. However, personally, I look down on people who miss the point, as well as people who don't the difference between then and than. I'm pretty certain this results from me having easy access to clean drinking water.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
We certainly could, but claiming an entire population is arrogant and prideful, in general, seems to me to be... well, a little arrogant and prideful. Is it really fair to determine the traits of 8,000,000 people based off one? What is 'too' prideful and arrogant anyway? Is there some agreed standard for pride and arrogance I wasn't aware of? Like, I should be at least this arrogant, but no more than this arrogant? Is arrogance, like, bad enough in itself; isn't any too much?
The persona I am basing this on is the persona portrayed via media. When is last time you hear of a "humble" actor (not some are not, but most are). As far as I was always taught, pride and arrogance are two things you consciously try to avoid in totality; like you stated isn't any too much.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Feeling "better than" other people is normal & fine with me.
(Chinese are better than Japanese. Han Chinese are better than other Chinese. Japanese are better than
Koreans. Koreans are better than Japanese. Americans are better than Afghans. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.)
But one ought to not let feelings of pride & superiority go to one's head.
We shouldn't run roughshod over those inferior types just cuz we're 'better'.
And they have the capability to become better...even than we are.
Very good explanation.:D
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
The persona I am basing this on is the persona portrayed via media. When is last time you hear of a "humble" actor (not some are not, but most are). As far as I was always taught, pride and arrogance are two things you consciously try to avoid in totality; like you stated isn't any too much.
That's your basis? With rare exception, celebrities are attention whores, no matter how nice they may be as people. That's why they wanted to be famous in the first place.

:facepalm:
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
That's your basis? With rare exception, celebrities are attention whores, no matter how nice they may be as people. That's why they wanted to be famous in the first place.

:facepalm:
No, no, no, one of many basis;) I sometimes picture actors as children jumping up and down shouting look at me, look at me, but every once in awhile there is one who just likes to act. My basis is on this being one country with the most people who are quick to tell you where they are from, even if not asked; arrogance is believing anyone cares (unless of course they ask you, but we all know this is just to make nice mostly), as well as the previous stated reasons.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
i agree with the OP. i believe that is why we have found ourselves in the mess we are in...
there are studies that show america has more cases of teenage pregnancies, STD's, obesity and type 2 diabeties, and divorce than any other developed country...i am also curious to see where we stand as far as our hunger for credit cards compares to the rest of the world...these are symptoms of depression it seems
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or more so, symptoms of insecurity
the US didn't make the top 10 happiest countries...
Table: The World's Happiest Countries - Forbes.com

is it perhaps we as a nation are over compensating for our short comings
:shrug:
because surely, we really don't have anything to brag about when you take these stats into consideration....


Quick diabetes facts

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Most people with diabetes in low and middle income countries are middle-aged (45-64), not elderly (65+).

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Obesity statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster

the US is #1 compared to the rest of the word
gluttony...we are excessive...it's undeniable.

"Each year, there are approximately fifteen million new cases of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) in the U.S., and this country has the highest rate of STD infection in the industrialized world"
http://www.kff.org/hivaids/loader.cfm?url=/commonspot/security/getfile.cfm&PageID=14302

Divorce rate statistics - countries compared - Nationmaster

The big lie about credit card debt - MSN Money

Worst Cities For Credit Card Debt - Forbes.com

if you live in los angeles the idea that a 62" flat screen TV and 2 cars is owed to anyone who has a yearly income of 50,000 is an act of arrogance
the act of suing mickey dees for serving hot coffee is an act of arrogance...too
and we wonder why our insurance premiums are jacked up so high?

i think there is a prevailing idea that we are owed privileges...the mere fact that reality TV is taking over the airwaves is proof enough for me....
 
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gnomon

Well-Known Member
I would say the Pushtun are a very proud people. The way they have stood up against the British Empire, the Soviet Union, Pakistan, the Taliban.....pretty hardcore ethnic identity there. Don't know if I would call them arrogant.

How do you measure pride among millions of people? How is pride defined as being bad or good?

How do you measure arrogance among millions of people?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I would say the Pushtun are a very proud people. The way they have stood up against the British Empire, the Soviet Union, Pakistan, the Taliban.....pretty hardcore ethnic identity there. Don't know if I would call them arrogant.

How do you measure pride among millions of people? How is pride defined as being bad or good?

How do you measure arrogance among millions of people?

check out the stats

i'm all for giving due where it is deserved, i believe it's an undue sense of importance...the feeling of being owed something either because of jealousy...which is a principle capitalism stands on...or insecurity
 

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think generally (as in not all Americans are included) yes, but they are not more arrogant than anybody else who has been, or is, in a similar position to the one they're in. By the 'position' i mean in terms of their place as a nation in the world, and the power they have today.
 
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