Are Atheists just close minded Agnostics?

[riley2112]

Well good. I thought we agreed at least one other time.....or mayb e i liked you because your open minded.

lol. my wife says I just like to argue, But I don't agree with that.lol

 

[Iti oj]

lol. my wife says I just like to argue, But I don't agree with that.lol

aha. arguing and being closed minded are two different things

 

[Iti oj]

Exactly :clap

thank you sir. and it only took some 80 odd pages can we lay the debate to rest and start learning from each other now?

 

[Tristesse]

They would have managed to disengage the theory from the original myth by Lemaitre. You now not only touched the forbidden initial condition, but went even further making the theory to sound like a perfect Creation myth.

The unborn god gave birth to himself and the universe all at once! (Egyptian theology).

I'm sorry man. But you're not making any sense.

 

[Reverend Rick]

thank you sir. and it only took some 80 odd pages can we lay the debate to rest and start learning from each other now?

I think this thread caused everyone to do a little bit of thinking.

 

[Iti oj]

sooo what did we all learn from this thread?

 

[9Westy9]

posted in the wrong thread, sorry

 

[riley2112]

sooo what did we all learn from this thread?

I learned how to use the quote button.:yes: And that my thoughts are not the only ones I should take into account.

 

[Iti oj]

I learned how to use the quote button.:yes: And that my thoughts are not the only ones I should take into account.

ohh nice.... Hmm i relearned its not what you say but how you say it, its not what you ask but how you ask it, its not what you are taught but how you understand it...

 

[riley2112]

ohh nice.... Hmm i relearned its not what you say but how you say it, its not what you ask but how you ask it, its not what you are taught but how you understand it...

I really like the way you put that. It seems to cover the whole idea of the thread.

 

[Iti oj]

I really like the way you put that. It seems to cover the whole idea of the thread.

thank you friend i just hope others can learn from or agree with this, for it would bring us one step closer to world peace.

 

[Trimijopulos]

I'm sorry man. But you're not making any sense.

OK, Let’s try again.
You wrote:

But regardless of any of that, what difference would it make if they postulated an explanation for "before the big bang?"

I answered:

They would have managed to disengage from the original myth by Lemaitre.

There is no “before” with myths of creation, especially “Ex nihilo” ones -“out of nothing”- as the specific ones are called.

The theory avoids reference to the “initial condition”, in other words to the original event itself, and you did go beyond it by saying that even time did not exist before the BB.
So I wrote:

You now not only touched the forbidden initial condition, but went even further making the theory to sound like a perfect Creation myth.

In the Egyptian theology the god who creates the universe is his own father:
The unborn god gave birth to himself and the universe all at once! (Egyptian theology).

 

[Willamena]

And in the case of this thread, my first reaction is why dissociate atheists?

Atheists, the people, aren't what this thread is about. It's about the open-mindedness of agnosticism (which I've already argued against). To approach the topic open mindedly would, at very least, involve dissociating atheists from atheism, agnostics from agnosticism.

 

[Iti oj]

Atheists, the people, aren't what this thread is about. It's about the open-mindedness of agnosticism (which I've already argued against). To approach the topic open mindedly would, at very least, involve dissociating atheists from atheism, agnostics from agnosticism.

well said along with defining open mindedness wich i did a few posts back =D
ideas vs the idea holders.... hmm

 

[Tristesse]

OK, Let’s try again.
You wrote:

But regardless of any of that, what difference would it make if they postulated an explanation for "before the big bang?"

I answered:

They would have managed to disengage from the original myth by Lemaitre.

There is no “before” with myths of creation, especially “Ex nihilo” ones -“out of nothing”- as the specific ones are called.

The theory avoids reference to the “initial condition”, in other words to the original event itself, and you did go beyond it by saying that even time did not exist before the BB.
So I wrote:

You now not only touched the forbidden initial condition, but went even further making the theory to sound like a perfect Creation myth.

In the Egyptian theology the god who creates the universe is his own father:
The unborn god gave birth to himself and the universe all at once! (Egyptian theology).

Ok, well, we can dispose of this "creation myth" when talking about the big bang. It's based on measurements, observations and lots of math. Currently it's the best explanation we have for the origins of the universe, could it be wrong? Sure, but so can our explanation of gravity or any other scientific explanation, however, the only thing that will turn the big bang on it's head would be, lots of evidence to the contrary.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

lol. my wife says I just like to argue, But I don't agree with that.lol

I wish everyone loved to argue. Most people hide out in their own minds, but I think the best way to struggle toward God is through direct, hard argument with other minds.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think this thread caused everyone to do a little bit of thinking.

Nope. None was required.