Are atheists the true followers of God?

[morphesium]

We have countless religions with countless and varying godly concepts. These gods have a scientific knowledge no better than those prevailed 1500 years back (at the most) and despite boasting himself as the creator of the universe; the foothold of a particular religion (or god himself) is local or restricted.

In the past, many religions have been wiped out from the face of earth and so gone are their gods. Can a true God ever die like this?

We have ignorant God(s) and pedophilic prophet, whose moral standards were far below than what we can accept.

All of these show only one thing – these gods never created us, it is we who created them.​

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Evolution is nature’s way, it can never part with nature, it is natures intention; from interstellar gas cloud to the formation of stars and planets etc, from clumps of organized molecules to the formation of a cell and then to the formation of multi-cellular organisms – it is all evident. We get honey from nature – honey bees are nature’s creation and they make it. What about smart phones and computers? These too are part of nature’s creation, but this time the organism that made it is a human. Of course, a better equipped phone comes every two or three years (and not in a million years); that is because of the rapid phase of its (man-made) evolution. The point I am trying to stress here is that – the scientific progress of human beings etc, are all part of natures intention. Now that we know there are exoplanets out there, there will be intelligent life forms in some of them (not yet discovered though) and would have made similar or much more scientific progress – all because of evolution. One thing is for certain – the underlying principles of mathematics will be the same here and there. There will be creatures there thousands of light-years away from us appreciating the same mathematical concepts and principles (Pythagoras theorem, functions, trigonometry, calculus etc) that we do here. Many mathematical and other scientific theories had independently originated at two or more different places here on earth. Mathematics and science is universal in nature. Religion can never achieve this status for it does not have a global foothold even in this planet.

Now, let us suppose that there is a true God and that he created us; then there is no point in sending a messenger to convey his message when he himself can do that directly. So is it wrong to believe that god has given us his message the very instant he made us – a tailored message for each and every one of us and along with it, gifted a suitable brain to make it fruitful? If people are to realize this, then they should have free thinking, free from the clutches of their religion, for religion cripples free thinking. Freedom of thought and freedom of speech are both indispensable for human evolution. (we have a religion that opposes these to the maximum and the more deep rooted its followers are – the more uncivilized they are; for they are not evolving).


For this reason, if God exists, it is atheists that follow the path of nature and evolution, the way God wishes. So aren’t atheists the true followers of (the true) God? Religion and its God – all are creations of Satan (or evil minded people), it is Satan’s way – don’t follow it, don’t succumb to it.

 

[LuisDantas]

If there is a God, it must follow that he is at worst neutral about our existence.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

In the past, many religions have been wiped out from the face of earth and so gone are their gods.

. Religion can never achieve this status for it does not have a global foothold even in this planet.

But speaking to both these points, I think there well may have been a 'world' religion at one point based on evidenced by the ubiquitous traces of things like astrology, geometry, numerology, similitude of gods, everywhere a 'world tree', a holy rest day, things like that set toward the face of some spirit plane before breaking down into fragmentation of local idiosyncrasy. Why do we always look up, why is it always something great in size, why is there always another hidden dimension involved where sentient beings tromp about. Religion, the religious feeling, the sensation of the spiritual, seems to follow after something that had some kind of lockstep with us at all times, perhaps most potent to caveman from the businessman, but just as relevant to the businessman as it is to the caveman.

Now, let us suppose that there is a true God and that he created us; then there is no point in sending a messenger to convey his message when he himself can do that directly.

Tacked onto the messenger is often the mandate the one "believes." Strip it of the mandate, and a messenger does have a point and may seem a fair enough method. Take away the mandate, and the message becomes something different altogether, it becomes mere advice, perhaps helpful advice. Give it a mandate, and then faith becomes more important than works, the 'believer' in any and all crowds is underscored, the unbelievers are sent away and discarded. Grossly obviated is the worth of actual righteousness, in my estimation, when every living human is called merely to believe. If you need merely to believe, you need not even read or understand the whole story - upon believing you are free to mitigate all thinking - paradoxically you are unworthy if you have not chanced to glance upon the story in such a manner, and all the thinking you've ever done is outweighed by an ounce of believing.

 

[Bunyip]

This is essentially; What is pantheism?

 

[Laika]

For this reason, if God exists, it is atheists that follow the path of nature and evolution, the way God wishes. So aren’t atheists the true followers of (the true) God? Religion and its God – all are creations of Satan (or evil minded people), it is Satan’s way – don’t follow it, don’t succumb to it

Supposedly, God created man in his image (I'd argue it's the other way round). An objection to atheism is that by rejecting god you reject his morality and are therefore taking a step towards becoming gods by knowledge of good and evil. As God is the "authority" on things as the creator of the universe, this is "immoral" and therefore so is atheism. So in the pursuit of knowledge of creation through reason and science, yes in a way we are taking a step closer to 'god'. God (or his followers) don't like this very much because knowledge gives us power and freedom.

If god was created by man, and man reaches a level where god is no longer necessary, than yes- the belief in god can die. Atheism does not automatically lead to humanism as it depends on how far people reject god; the bigger the rejection, the more likely that people will seek human explanations as the source for religious belief. humanism takes on some of the functions of religion particularly in developing a system of ethics, but it's not necessarily atheist either.
Whether a "true" god can die is another question since If god was man all along, then the realization of humanity as an act of love and freedom is the truest religion of all. Discovering the source of the divine in each of us as an expression of our humanity would constitute a "true" religion.

 

[Ultimatum]

Why God? Why any magical wizard?
^Honest question.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why God? Why any magical wizard?
^Honest question.

And a good one, too!

 

[morphesium]

But speaking to both these points, I think there well may have been a 'world' religion at one point based on evidenced by the ubiquitous traces of things like astrology, geometry, numerology, similitude of gods, everywhere a 'world tree', a holy rest day, things like that set toward the face of some spirit plane before breaking down into fragmentation of local idiosyncrasy. Why do we always look up, why is it always something great in size, why is there always another hidden dimension involved where sentient beings tromp about. Religion, the religious feeling, the sensation of the spiritual, seems to follow after something that had some kind of lockstep with us at all times, perhaps most potent to caveman from the businessman, but just as relevant to the businessman as it is to the caveman.



Tacked onto the messenger is often the mandate the one "believes." Strip it of the mandate, and a messenger does have a point and may seem a fair enough method. Take away the mandate, and the message becomes something different altogether, it becomes mere advice, perhaps helpful advice. Give it a mandate, and then faith becomes more important than works, the 'believer' in any and all crowds is underscored, the unbelievers are sent away and discarded. Grossly obviated is the worth of actual righteousness, in my estimation, when every living human is called merely to believe. If you need merely to believe, you need not even read or understand the whole story - upon believing you are free to mitigate all thinking - paradoxically you are unworthy if you have not chanced to glance upon the story in such a manner, and all the thinking you've ever done is outweighed by an ounce of believing.

At no time there was a “world religion”. We can’t say a language is universal just because people in every country speak a particular language. Even dolphins and other animals communicate with their own language. Even the same species but from different parts of the world (and well isolated from each other) use different languages to an extent that they can’t communicate with each other. There were religions in which there were holy “sex-workers” and demanded a priest like status in society to religions where sex-workers are stoned to death. There were/are religions where liquor is prohibited to religions where it is even used in religious ceremonies. You do one thing in a particular religion and you might be rewarded there; do the same thing in other religion and you will be punished. Again there is no “world religion”. Look at the followers of various religions – they are all fighting amongst each other – can you call this a world religion. Ofcourse, there is a concept of God in all of them; God being either - a particular human itself, god sent messenger, human or animal ( or mixture) like god , to completely unspecific. From a family or a society of gods to one god (I wonder how did they count god) and with all kind of weird concepts in between. Now why do you think the god concept was quite prevalent in almost all cultures? A few of the reasons are

- fear of the unknown is always much greater than fear of the known.

There is always the uncertainty of the future.

People had to suffer extreme hard ships for their survival and it always demanded something to pacify them.


These are concerned with the commoners. As humanity progressed into tribal societies and beyond, power always had to be vested with some. And what can guarantee their strong hold the most? If it is something that takes advantage of the above facts, then the least oppression they will have to face. There comes the god factor and the religion.

If you study any religion, there will be a lot of scientific stupidities in it – how can such a thing happen if your religion was god sent (if he is the one who knows all?). astrology, numerology, oracle bones etc are just superstitions but so is our gods that came through our religion. Ones you realize this, religion won’t be relevant at all – but of course this demands freedom of thought and reasoning power.

 

[Toxikmynd]

I believe in higher power, I believe there is no one true religion, otherwise the god(s) would simply take away our free will and force us all to convert, thats my opinion.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

At no time there was a “world religion”.

Ok. For example: So Zeus can fight Typhon, Tarhunt can fight Illhyanka, Indra can fight Vritra, and Thor can fight Jormundgandr, all thunder gods fighting giant snakes, and you're just telling me flat out there was no world religion. Well I don't know the most about all of it, but when I look at some of this stuff I sure notice some striking similarities sometimes.

 

[morphesium]

Ok. For example: So Zeus can fight Typhon, Tarhunt can fight Illhyanka, Indra can fight Vritra, and Thor can fight Jormundgandr, all thunder gods fighting giant snakes, and you're just telling me flat out there was no world religion. Well I don't know the most about all of it, but when I look at some of this stuff I sure notice some striking similarities sometimes.

Agreed. Poisonous snakes were known to almost all civilizations and so are thunder storms. Since fighting and wars are essential for religious stories, they make use of it. Not just God of Thunder and Storm, other powerful Gods (Sun, fire, etc) too might have fought with snakes and other animals. But, then we do have controversies: where one animal is considered holy in some religion whereas in the other it is considered satanic or un-holy.