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Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
No,no, no. The government should be brought down.
So, a few hundred years ago, all the nations of the world should have risen up to put a stop to people taking over the lands of others? So, should the U.S. and Australia give the land back to the native people? Or from now on, one nation or people shouldn't take over the lands of others?

And which government shouldn't be brought down? In the U.S. some wanted the Trump's government gone, and now some want Biden's government gone. So, which "unity", the Trumpians or the Bidenites, is the correct one and deserving to run the government?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Let's say, there is really a true Prophet of God, and lets say, He wants to prophecize about future, but due to a wisdom, He does not want to reveal it explicitly until when that event comes. To do so, He decodes the information (such as the year, period, place) in a language that could not be decoded by ordinary people, until when the time is right, God sends another Prophet to decode the prophecy and then everyone knows. Would this be possible or believable to you?
Daniel and Revelation have been "decoded" by lots of people. One of those was Abdul Baha. Strangely, he decoded it to make his father the true prophet of God.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
They are trying financially now. But the entire world needs to jointly pressure Russia to withdraw. It can be done but it never has been done before.

But if the world could unite over Russia and bring the govt to its knees then other dictatorships like Myanmar and in Syria will be very concerned. The very last thing oppressors and war criminals want is a united world. But I have faith we are getting there albeit hobbling and struggling.
Even in one country, maybe still the most powerful country, the U.S., we aren't united, and we may never be united. And who's going to bring us to our knees for the wrongs we've committed?
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Daniel and Revelation have been "decoded" by lots of people. One of those was Abdul Baha. Strangely, he decoded it to make his father the true prophet of God.
Yes, not only Daniel, but also Revelations, the Quran, and many many Hadithes as well as Buddhism, and Hinduism scriptures regarding future Manifestations.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
If you think Susan posts topics such as this for her own attention, you can not be more wrong.

This post is to make people aware that what is happening in the world has been given fair warning and the solutions have already been given.

How to go about it is up to all of us as a united humanity.

Regards Tony
So, the purpose is to make people aware that the Baha'i Faith has the solutions to heal the ills of the world. Which means accept that Baha'u'llah is a messenger from God and to listen to what he says and to apply them. Which means all people of all races and all religions should unite and come together as one and turn to the Baha'i Faith as the source of the knowledge that is needed to accomplish that unity. Something like that? Or would you word it differently?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
It might be too late to save the world:

"It is too late to save the world. The Message of Baha'u'llah has been in the world over one hundred years to save mankind, but it has been rejected all over the world. The calamity will be sudden. He spoke of the American statesman from the President down, all are helpless and impotent. The United States is not now an altruistic nation. You help others to help yourselves.

The Russian submarines will paralyze Great Britain, the United States, Europe, the Atlantic, Pacific and Mediterranean seaboards."
Prophecies about the Calamity


Putin waves nuclear sword in confrontation with the West

According to some recorded saying of Baha'u'llah, He said only after this Clamity happens, people start thinking why it happend. Then the conclude it was because of prejudice, one form of which is Religion. They try to make religion disappear. But after sometime, they realize human cannot live without religious beliefs. At that time, they investigate unbiased, which religion is best. Then they choose the Faith.
Still, can you show where it is prophesied that the promised one comes, and the calamities continue? Or even that the end-times "Christ" or promised one comes and is rejected and thrown in jail? In Revelation it sounds like the Christ, or the Lamb, comes in and defeats the bad guys.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Same old pattern here, she makes absurd claims,
I made no claims at all.
I asked a simple question: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

After that people proceeded to take the thread off course and make it about something I am NOT claiming, something they want to discuss, NOT something I want to discuss. :rolleyes:
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yes we are in dangerous times, one can still hope, but hope is definitely fading that man will not bring this destruction upon their own selves.

A friend said something interesting this morning, Putin is a dictatorship of the old world order, a mentality where it is thought war solves the problems.

Thus maybe we have to learn war does not solve anything, in any way shape or form.

May all be safe and happy, all the best to you and all, Regards Tony
I don't think very many people believe war solves anything. But, I wonder, how many people believe that a religion can? Especially when so many religions in the past fought each other. And so many religions, when they gained power, became corrupt. So, it's difficult for some of us to trust a religion to really fix things. Like what are the Baha'is going to do if nations want to fight? Oh yeah, all the other nations rise up and stop them. By talking? Or by force? If by force, that's still war. And what is war good for? Absolutely nothing.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Her other thread died so she started this one to get renewed attention.
Sure, you know what I started this thread because you are the all-knowing God.

I started it because of what is going on in the world today and I find it very interesting how that correlates with what Baha'u'llah prophesied. People deserve to know but what they do with that knowledge is entirely their own choice.

The very last thing I want is attention.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
How does this predict Bahaullah, precisely? In context:

"I must bear the indignation of the Lord,
because I have sinned against him,

until he takes my side
and executes judgment for me.
He will bring me out to the light;
I shall see his vindication.
Then my enemy will see,
and shame will cover her who said to me,
“Where is the Lord your God?”
My eyes will see her downfall;
now she will be trodden down
like the mire of the streets.

A day for the building of your walls!
In that day the boundary shall be far extended.
In that day they will come to you
from Assyria to Egypt,
and from Egypt to the River,
from sea to sea and from mountain to mountain.
But the earth will be desolate
because of its inhabitants,
for the fruit of their doings."

This doesn't say anything. Countless "titanic upheavals" have occurred in human history.

Clever but transparent way to pre-empt criticism of vague prophecies.

Without even googling, two of these are immediately obviously incorrect. First, there was already a schism early in Baha'i, when some followers of the Bab refused to accept Bahaullah as a Prophet. A remnant of them still exist today.

Secondly, many transitional hominid fossils have been found.

So that's two gone from the list - again, without even googling a thing yet to verify what was actually predicted and what actually happened.

Now - do you really want me to do that, knowing that at first glance the list is already fallacious?

It's very bizarre for you to claim that whether a prophecy actually comes true has no relevance to whether we should believe it or not.

But it does matter if it's vague or specific. If I anticipate that I'll die someday, that's nothing to write home about. If I predict the precise manner of my death in advance, down to the day, hour, and minute, and a method which I don't control, that's a significantly more impressive prediction.

Same with Bahaullah's prophecies, evidently.
I did not start this thread to talk about Baha'u'llah's prophecies and what they mean.
Live and learn. This time I am going to be smart enough not to get goaded into responding.

Baha'u'llah never offered prophecies as proof of who He was.

I have no need to prove who Baha'u'llah was to anyone because I know who He was, and I did not need prophecies to know.

Have fun. :)
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I did not start this thread to talk about Baha'u'llah's prophecies and what they mean.

That's very weird, because the title of the thread is "Are Baha'u'llah's prophecies coming true?"

If you wanted a thread about that topic but didn't expect to talk about the prophecies or what they mean, I don't know what you expected to discuss. :shrug:
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
The old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead. Not only the Baha’is but many other people have seen this process unfolding all over the world at an ever-increasing pace but it has become even more apparent now that war has broken out in the Ukraine.

Top stories

Opinion: Putin’s assault on Ukraine will shape a new world order

How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Could Change the Global Order Forever

China ponders how Russia’s actions in Ukraine could reshape world order

Bury the Old World Order

Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true? In the latter half of the 19th century, Baha’u’llah prophesied that what we are seeing now would take place. I believe that humans will build the new world order with the assistance of God and what was revealed by Baha’u’llah.

“Beseech ye the one true God to grant that all men may be graciously assisted to fulfil that which is acceptable in Our sight. Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 7

“By My Self! The day is approaching when We will have rolled up the world and all that is therein, and spread out a new order in its stead. He, verily, is powerful over all things.” Gleanings, p. 313

“The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System—the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed.” Gleanings, p. 136

The phrase "new world order" in the Baháʼí Faith refers to the replacement of the collective political norms and values of the 19th century with a new system of worldwide governance that incorporates the Baháʼí ideals of unity and justice for all nations, races, creeds, and classes. The idea of world unification, both politically and spiritually, is at the heart of Baháʼí teachings.[1][2]

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)
There is zero evidence of any such thing in current events. What we are seeing is the dismantling by force of such order as we thought we had.

Such things happen from time to time in history. There is no reason whatever to suppose this time round is fundamentally different. In fact, we are farther now from "world unification" than we were 20 years ago. And we are closer to nuclear war than we have been for 60 years.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yes, not only Daniel, but also Revelations, the Quran, and many many Hadithes as well as Buddhism, and Hinduism scriptures regarding future Manifestations.
I've discussed some of those prophecies with Baha'is and all of them had issues. Believable to Baha'is? Of course. But too vague and too manipulated to convince some of us. Like Daniel's prophecies about the 1290 and 1335 days.
In addition, Baha'is have applied the day-year principle to the two prophecies at the end of the last chapter of Daniel concerning the 1,290 days (Dan 12:11) and the 1,335 days (Dan 12:12).[9] The 1,290 days is understood as a reference to the 1,290 years from the open declaration of Muhammad to the open declaration of Bahá’u’lláh. The 1,335 days is understood to be a reference to the firm establishment of Islam in 628 AD to the firm establishment of the Baha'i Faith (the election of its Universal House of Justice) in 1963 AD.​
My problem with these is that they ignore the part in the verse where is says...
Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.​
What does the declaration of Muhammad and the establishment of Islam have to do with the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination? Baha'is ignore it or explain it away. It works for them, but to me, it's manipulating the verse to make it mean what Baha'is want it to mean. Right there is enough to make me question the whole of the Baha'i Faith. Sorry, you may be doing many great things. Maybe making the world better, but, to me, this is not fulfilling a prophecy. It is making up a starting time and coming up with a fabricated "fulfillment".

And do religions have to be true to do good things? I don't think so. And I use the Mormons as an example. Who other than Mormons believe in the Book of Mormon? Joseph Smith looked at some golden plates and translated them? That the angel Moroni spoke with him? I don't believe any of it. Yet, the religion is doing well. Has lots of great people. So, is the Baha'i Faith "The Truth"? I have some doubts about that. But is the Baha'i Faith changing people for the better? I think it is. But so are most all religions. Even religions with beliefs that most of us would say aren't true.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
What difference does it make if one answers yes or no?
It does not matter to me. I have no dog in this fight.
What use is any prediction that doesn't empower one to make the choices that lead to desired outcomes? What difference does it make if one is even aware of such predictions, like the one predicting a new world order, even if it specifically described what that would look like and when it would occur? Do you think otherwise? Why do you think it matters whether Baha'u'llah's predictions are coming true?
It makes a difference if one knows from whence these predictions come and why these events are occurring, unless you think ignorance is bliss. I certainly don't expect it to make any difference to non-Baha'is whether Baha'u'llah's predictions are coming true and I certainly don't expect non-Baha'is to connect the dots, but that does not mean there are no dots to connect.

It does empower the Baha'is because we know why these events are occurring where they are leading...
Toward a New World Order?

Moreover, as Baha'is we have been enjoined by Baha'u'llah to be participants in building the New World Order, but we believe that Baha'u'llah has enjoined everyone to be part of building it, not only Baha'is.

“This is the Day in which God’s most excellent favors have been poured out upon men, the Day in which His most mighty grace hath been infused into all created things. It is incumbent upon all the peoples of the world to reconcile their differences, and, with perfect unity and peace, abide beneath the shadow of the Tree of His care and loving-kindness. It behoveth them to cleave to whatsoever will, in this Day, be conducive to the exaltation of their stations, and to the promotion of their best interests. Happy are those whom the all-glorious Pen was moved to remember, and blessed are those men whose names, by virtue of Our inscrutable decree, We have preferred to conceal.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 6- 7
As you say, so what if they are? That's not meant to be a rhetorical question. Assuming that it does, why does that matter to you, and why should this matter to others. If your answer is that it doesn't and shouldn't, aren't you agreeing with 'so what'?
It matters to me because I am a Baha'i, so I can connect the dots, but I never said it should matter to others.

“Dear friends! The powerful operations of this titanic upheaval are comprehensible to none except such as have recognized the claims of both Bahá’u’lláh and the Báb. Their followers know full well whence it comes, and what it will ultimately lead to. Though ignorant of how far it will reach, they clearly recognize its genesis, are aware of its direction, acknowledge its necessity, observe confidently its mysterious processes, ardently pray for the mitigation of its severity, intelligently labor to assuage its fury, and anticipate, with undimmed vision, the consummation of the fears and the hopes it must necessarily engender.” The Promised Day Is Come, p. 4
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
This "prophecy" about a "new world order" is vague, and thus fails point five in my list of things that a real prophecy requires (see my signature). There are dozens of things in the last century that it could equally apply to.

Really, you must try harder.
I am not trying to do anything so I don't need to try harder.

When I asked Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true? all I wanted to know is if people see the old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead.

Why are people trying to derail my thread and make it be about prophecies for Baha'u'llah?
That is a question they need to ask themselves. I have NO NEED to prove who Baha'u'llah was using prophecies. :rolleyes:

If the old world order is being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead that means that Baha'u'llah's prophecies are coming true. I do not give a tinker's damn if it meets your criteria for a prophecy because I am not trying to prove that Baha'u'llah was a Prophet. I already know that He was and I could not care less what other people believe.
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
The old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead. Not only the Baha’is but many other people have seen this process unfolding all over the world at an ever-increasing pace but it has become even more apparent now that war has broken out in the Ukraine.

Top stories

Opinion: Putin’s assault on Ukraine will shape a new world order

How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Could Change the Global Order Forever

China ponders how Russia’s actions in Ukraine could reshape world order

Bury the Old World Order

Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true? In the latter half of the 19th century, Baha’u’llah prophesied that what we are seeing now would take place. I believe that humans will build the new world order with the assistance of God and what was revealed by Baha’u’llah.

“Beseech ye the one true God to grant that all men may be graciously assisted to fulfil that which is acceptable in Our sight. Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 7

“By My Self! The day is approaching when We will have rolled up the world and all that is therein, and spread out a new order in its stead. He, verily, is powerful over all things.” Gleanings, p. 313

“The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System—the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed.” Gleanings, p. 136

The phrase "new world order" in the Baháʼí Faith refers to the replacement of the collective political norms and values of the 19th century with a new system of worldwide governance that incorporates the Baháʼí ideals of unity and justice for all nations, races, creeds, and classes. The idea of world unification, both politically and spiritually, is at the heart of Baháʼí teachings.[1][2]

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)

NEW WORLD ORDER:

(SPY) George H. W. Bush (daddy Bush, not baby Bush) also said that he wanted to create a new world order. President W. Bush illegally spied on all phone calls of Americans, using a computer to find key words, and this infringes on American's privacy (Google "Eric Snowden" to find details of this).

(DON'T SPEAK, ASSEMBLE, OR SUE) President W. Bush had ordered that protestors of the G-8 environmental meeting were forcibly moved to an isolated island off of the coast of North Carolina where they could not be seen or heard (so they don't have a right to peacefully assembly or speak freely. Citing supposed "frivolous lawsuits," which supposedly increased the cost of medical care and medicines, people were forced to waive their right to sue (petition the government for redress of grievances), in lieu of arbitration, in which the HMOs that they wished to sue were the arbitrators. That is, the ones we sue decide if they are guilty.

Technically, the Constitution prevents Congress from taking away our rights, but doesn't prevent companies from taking away our rights.

Apparently, the "New World Order" is akin to Communism in that it takes away our basic rights, freedoms, and privacy. Communism is always considered a "big brother" government that is constantly spying into private lives and forcing people to comply with their dictates. Soviets were behind an "iron curtain" which blocked all communication outside. They were not free to travel. Big brother spied on their in their daily lives. Neighbors ratted them out. Soviets voted for their leaders unanimously (for fear that their leaders would kill them if they did not). Police were brutal in the Soviet Union. Trials were rare and useless (justice did not prevail). War loomed as a constant threat unless opposed by constant military opposition from the rest of the world or a super-power.

Hitler also promised unity and justice when he grabbed totalitarian dictatorship....look how that turned out. Actions don't always follow rhetoric.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Those criterias are useful.
But for someone who claims to be a Prophet, the motivation behind those prophecies could be another important Criteria. If someone is from God, His prophecies serve more as warnings. They tell us of what humanity will go through, so, we can be prepared.
but unfortunately few people heed the warnings. :(
 
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